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blood4blood
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what do you guys add to manure? if anything
#7817659 - 12/31/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so i did a search for this and nothing really popped up. i have to big 22 gallon mono's going right now that i spawned to manure and didnt add anythng too.
im about to spawn a couple jars of colonized rye (pe strain) and was wondering if their is anything extra i should throw in with the gypsum? or is horse manure just fine by itself?
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Seventy
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: blood4blood]
#7817669 - 12/31/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh god you can add anything
straw is good
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dumbfounded1600
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: blood4blood]
#7817675 - 12/31/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What can be a 2nd addative for a good substrate like Composted manure? Herbivore manure, coir, verm, spent coffee grounds, kelp meal, olive oil, etc.
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: Seventy]
#7817678 - 12/31/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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the hpoo will work fine on its own, but people suggest things like Coir, straw, verm, etc to fluff it up a bit. The first two also provide a more varied nutrient source, which is apparently a good thing.
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: Seventy]
#7817682 - 12/31/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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straw, verm, coir, coffee grounds
lol like he say'd you can add anything you want
hell i got a mono tub with a old boot, a license plate, and an old rusty tire iron <-- sarcasm
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Seventy
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: DigitalNomad]
#7817684 - 12/31/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah
RR always says to add a bit of everything that mycelium likes
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blood4blood
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#7817686 - 12/31/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea i dont have any straw. dont really want to mess with that. i suppose i could add some verm.
how bout gypsum? ive realy only got gypsum and verm here. would 10% by volume like in my casing be good?
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: blood4blood]
#7817700 - 12/31/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i wouldnt add any gypsum, it messes with the ph levels and without a ph reader thing you could mess the whole thing up by adding to much but verm is nice
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: blood4blood]
#7817717 - 12/31/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here is a beginner's substrate recipe that I formulated and works very well.
Substrate Mix for Spawn Bags
Yield: 4 large filter patch spawn bags
Ingredients: 48 Cups Shredded Horse Manure 24 Cups Vermiculite 16 ½ Cups Wild Bird Seed 4 Tablespoons Kelp Meal 6 Tablespoons Canola Oil 21 Cups Water
Directions: 1. Mix all dry ingredients together thoroughly. 2. Add water gradually and mix by hand. 3. Add Canola Oil. 4. Load bags evenly. 5. Pressure cook for 2 hours @ 15 PSI. 6. Allow to cool for one hour and remove from cooker. 7. Impulse seal bags on setting 5 for 5 seconds. 8. Hang to cool.
If you want to pasteurize it instead of sterilize, simply remove the WBS. Works nicely for beginners and intermediate cultivators.
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blood4blood
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: wikedferret]
#7817721 - 12/31/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea ill just add some verm then. like you gus said i read it was great on its own. i do have a few bricks of coir but dont really want to mess with that roght now either since i only have 2 qrts of colonized grain.
10, 20% verm? what do you recomend?
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Wronguy

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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: wikedferret]
#7817750 - 12/31/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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wikedferret said: i wouldnt add any gypsum, it messes with the ph levels and without a ph reader thing you could mess the whole thing up by adding to much but verm is nice
I'm sorry, but you're wrong on the gypsum. Gypsum will prevent the substrate from making wild swings in pH, but does not change it. In fact, gypsum has a tendency to make the substrate more neutral. Gypsum can also increase the substrates ability to hold water and aids by flocculating compacted ingredients. There are so many benefits to speak of, and I've said them before, that I'll leave it at that for now.
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blood4blood
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: Wronguy]
#7817802 - 12/31/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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carilto-
would 10% gypsum and 20% verm be a good ratio?
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: blood4blood]
#7817819 - 12/31/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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blood4blood said: what do you guys add to manure?
Spawn
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blood4blood
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: FooMan]
#7817824 - 12/31/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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FooManShroom said:
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blood4blood said: what do you guys add to manure?
Spawn
well yea.
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: blood4blood]
#7817838 - 12/31/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: blood4blood]
#7817847 - 12/31/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seriously though, that's about all I add besides water. I will be adding some gypsum on my next run to see what all the fuss is about, but I've had great results with pure poo. The key is getting the moisture correct during spawning.
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: blood4blood]
#7817858 - 12/31/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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blood4blood said: carilto-
would 10% gypsum and 20% verm be a good ratio?
10% gypsum is a great ratio and what I typically use. I always recommend vermiculite be 50% of the amount of manure. So if you have 10 cups of manure I would add 5 cups of vermiculite. Vermiculite is a great additive because it is inert, meaning it is neither acidic or alkaline, and holds 10 times its weight in water. Vermiculite will also aid in keeping your substrate from compacting.
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blood4blood
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: Wronguy]
#7817885 - 12/31/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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awesome. great advice guys.
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: blood4blood]
#7818886 - 01/01/08 01:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: what do you guys add to manure? if anything [Re: Nibin]
#7819995 - 01/01/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poo is a miracle, adding a lil verm wont hurt. Really...you dont need anything else unless you just get bored with plain poop.
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