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dblaney
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Re: dropping the ego without the aid of psychedelics [Re: Icelander]
#7824238 - 01/02/08 03:53 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Hello!
Hi! How are ya?
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You stating that education had such a limited meaning.
I was just going by a dictionary definition. You didn't specify what sort of education or in what context or anything like that, so how could I have known what sort of education you really meant?
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And by the way experience is educational.
True that. Or at least, it can be.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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kaiowas
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Re: dropping the ego without the aid of psychedelics [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7824307 - 01/02/08 04:17 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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" i used to think ego loss was something that happened only on psychedelics. the truth is that we can drop our ego at any time, but our priorities may lie in the way of that. it is in fact the ego that convinces us that the psychedelic world is different than the "normal world", which is not to say that the normal world is not normal or that it resembles a psychedelic trip when our egos don't get in the way, although both of these things are true"
When thinking about thinking, the social construction of ego tends to make things a little confusing. What helped me out (and I'm not saying that this would work for everyone) is to drop the word ego altogether. There's too much baggage in that word; hidden meanings that need to be thoroughly unpacked less it confuses all of us! The reason I say this is because of the sentence you put as
"the ego convinces us..."
^ that sentence right there should tell you to just do away with that concept...you are the one doing the convincing, not the sense of self. it is your thought patterns which can still be assimilated even if your memories and the name you identify with are gone!
"what if i've been seperated from my real self for so long that i could not drop the ego without serious psychic damage?"
^again...this is a fine line that you are treading on (myself and everyone else included!). Just release this concept of ego! It will make things quite a lot easier. when you don't identify with this 'phantom self' which is only ya word anyway, then you can start unpacking this monstrosity!
"CAN'T get out because i'm trying to bring the whole house outside - but you can't bring your house outside because it already is outside.. this is brutal."
your housing example is a perfect illustration of this thought loop!
so drop the ego...that is...quit spending the mental currency that you are using on this phantom self that really doesn't need to have a label in the first place.
Look...there are times when I am sitting outside enjoying what's around me so much that I am not spending time thinking about where I am or who I am. That doesn't mean I forgot...it just means that I am spending my mental currency on something else.
see what I am getting at?
-------------------- Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Orbus
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Re: dropping the ego without the aid of psychedelics [Re: kaiowas]
#7824408 - 01/02/08 05:00 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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"so drop the ego...that is...quit spending the mental currency that you are using on this phantom self that really doesn't need to have a label in the first place." 
This point is very important. The ego concept as well as the concepts associated with it, liberation, enlightenment, practice only introduce the illusion that there is something wrong with our current state right now.
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Icelander
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Re: dropping the ego without the aid of psychedelics [Re: Orbus]
#7824893 - 01/02/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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This point is very important. The ego concept as well as the concepts associated with it, liberation, enlightenment, practice only introduce the illusion that there is something wrong with our current state right now.
Yes. Very important.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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EternalCowabunga
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Re: dropping the ego without the aid of psychedelics [Re: kaiowas]
#7826241 - 01/03/08 01:40 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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kaiowas said: " i used to think ego loss was something that happened only on psychedelics. the truth is that we can drop our ego at any time, but our priorities may lie in the way of that. it is in fact the ego that convinces us that the psychedelic world is different than the "normal world", which is not to say that the normal world is not normal or that it resembles a psychedelic trip when our egos don't get in the way, although both of these things are true"
When thinking about thinking, the social construction of ego tends to make things a little confusing. What helped me out (and I'm not saying that this would work for everyone) is to drop the word ego altogether. There's too much baggage in that word; hidden meanings that need to be thoroughly unpacked less it confuses all of us! The reason I say this is because of the sentence you put as
"the ego convinces us..."
^ that sentence right there should tell you to just do away with that concept...you are the one doing the convincing, not the sense of self. it is your thought patterns which can still be assimilated even if your memories and the name you identify with are gone!
"what if i've been seperated from my real self for so long that i could not drop the ego without serious psychic damage?"
^again...this is a fine line that you are treading on (myself and everyone else included!). Just release this concept of ego! It will make things quite a lot easier. when you don't identify with this 'phantom self' which is only ya word anyway, then you can start unpacking this monstrosity!
"CAN'T get out because i'm trying to bring the whole house outside - but you can't bring your house outside because it already is outside.. this is brutal."
your housing example is a perfect illustration of this thought loop!
so drop the ego...that is...quit spending the mental currency that you are using on this phantom self that really doesn't need to have a label in the first place.
Look...there are times when I am sitting outside enjoying what's around me so much that I am not spending time thinking about where I am or who I am. That doesn't mean I forgot...it just means that I am spending my mental currency on something else.
see what I am getting at?
thanks for the words of advice. i do indeed see what you're getting at. every time i use the word ego i am only reinforcing a false sense of self, yes?
i know what that feeling of absorbtion is like, to be absorbed in what you are doing to the point where you are just completely in the zone. i can reach this through meditation but i'd like this to be more permanent, to be able to be in that center at all times. on the other hand, i don't think what i'm talking about can be achieved through meditation because that is still the mind stopping the mind. i guess it must be like a permanent meditation, awareness, i do nothing and so the baggage falls away
p.s thanks for the suggestions orbus, i'm really digging this mooji guy
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Re: dropping the ego without the aid of psychedelics [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7826409 - 01/03/08 03:28 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Wow, great posting all around.
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