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eaglenature
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Some of my trip from yesterday and some questions about bad trips
#7818935 - 01/01/08 02:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there anybody who has tripped many many times and never had a bad trip?
I tripped yesterday with 2 of my good friends. We smoke weed together several times a week and they've tripped on half eighths once before. Still, just the type of people they are, they haven't exactly "tamed" their minds. They definitely don't understand how to act normal on shrooms, for example when they were on a half eighth and I was on a full eighth I had to go into a CVS and buy stuff for them because they were afraid of acting too suspicious (which they probably would have been).
So I a little more than a full eighth this time (bout 4g) and they took full eighths. I had a feeling they wouldn't be mentally prepared for the power of a full eighth but the shrooms we got were all stems and it didn't look like very much so I figured they would be okay. Little did I know.
About 2 hours into the trip we go to a park about a quarter mi. from my house. Friend A lays down and doesnt get up for several minutes. I try to get him to stand up and finally he does but he won't move and he won't talk. He makes strange noises but that's about it. This is about the time I want to go back to my house so I tell both of them, guys we gotta get to my house.
So friend A can't talk or move, and friend B is running around 30+ feet away in la la land. Eventually I manage to push friend A about 20 ft. and I try to get him to drink water from a water fountain but he won't budge. Friend B comes over and thinks friend A is going insane. Then he thinks friend B is permanently damaged, then he thinks the same thing is going to happen to him, one thing leads to another and now he thinks the shrooms were poisonous and that we're going to die.
I keep telling him, the only problem is that friend A won't move, but he starts freaking out and says, "Dude, you don't understand, we're all going to die. I need to call 911."
So obviously I'm like, "911? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! We ate psychedelic mushrooms, we're just tripping, everything is fine."
But he interrupts me and keeps telling me we need to call the police because we're about to die. I tell him calling the police is not going to solve anything and that we're not going to die, but then he comes up with all these retarded ideas of how to "fix" everything, because apparently to him, EVERYTHING is fucked up, when the only problem is that friend A can't move or talk. So I get pretty pissed off and I try not to yell.
Now, friend A is a pretty big guy so we couldn't carry him. When we pushed him, he would move in circles, so it was very, very hard to get him to my house. Friend B's bad trip gets more and more intense and eventually he wants to kill himself until we're yelling at each other at the top of our lungs to get each other to listen. This went on for about half an hour so obviously I was pissed off as hell at this point, I mean I was just trying to have a good time and go to my house and listen to music and play pool. Finally I slap him in the face and tell him nothing bad is going to happen, all we need to do is work together to push friend A to my house, which we finally do and friend B finally calms down and friend A finally starts sobering up and is able to walk by himself by the time we get into my house.
I never had a bad trip. I never thought we were going to die and I never felt the need to call 911. I just got really pissed off, and that's it.
So my question is, how exactly does a bad trip happen? How does one manage to convince themselves they're actually going to die? I suppose it's believable that your dealer could've tried to murder you with poisonous shrooms but thats pretty absurd. I've seen some pretty scary things in some of my trips, but I knew none of it was real. I've lost touch with reality a couple times but I was never afraid that I would never come back or that the trip would never be over. That sounds ridiculous to me. Is it a matter of having a "weak" mind? I hate to put it that way because it probably sounds like I'm calling them stupid, but to me it seems like just a matter of having a clear and focused consciousness.
P.S. This was only about an hour and a half of my trip. The rest was wonderful! We went to a llama farm for a good half hour and a playground right after that. After the bad part we got back to my house and played pool and listened to music which was pretty fun/chill.
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Re: Some of my trip from yesterday and some questions about bad trips [Re: eaglenature]
#7818952 - 01/01/08 02:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hidden mental garbage and low self image, maybe some traumatic experiences.
One time my ex-buddy held my dog at knifepoint because he thought I was trying to kill him...All I wanted to do was light fireworks. He thought fireworks was my codeword for 'gun.'
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Re: Some of my trip from yesterday and some questions about bad trips [Re: eaglenature]
#7818953 - 01/01/08 02:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hate when friends act up when there tripping but it sounds like you handled it well. I once had to talk my friends out of trying to skateboard into town from the beach when they could barly walk and i was tripping preaty hard that got me preaty worked up but i set them strait and we had a blast playing in the sand.
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Re: Some of my trip from yesterday and some questions about bad trips [Re: Seansquatch]
#7818997 - 01/01/08 03:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've never had a bad trip. There's no such thing as a bad trip, only learning experiences. I've had some difficult trips, but never a "bad trip". I love my difficult learning experiences as much as the rainbows and lollipop trips.
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Re: Some of my trip from yesterday and some questions about bad trips [Re: Seansquatch]
#7819003 - 01/01/08 03:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have had many powerful trips in the past, and only a couple times I have experienced what most people consider a bad trip... In my eyes, its not bad at all. it might be thought loops or visually seeing something scary, but in no way do I consider it negative.You just gotta be able to tell yourself that you are fine, no matter what happens, you will be back to normal the next day.You can learn a lot during a bad trip.
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Re: Some of my trip from yesterday and some questions about bad trips [Re: eaglenature]
#7819060 - 01/01/08 04:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, it sounds like you were making lots of decisions for how your friends should spend their time tripping with you. Why'd you have to be the boss? Is the heirarchy necessary and productive? Many folks have the tendency to tell their friends to fuck off when they don' feel like going insided to play video games rather than rolling around in a field looking at the stars or whatever. Can't blame them...
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Re: Some of my trip from yesterday and some questions about bad trips [Re: eaglenature]
#7819076 - 01/01/08 05:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds as if 3 of the main culprits were A) lack of preparedness; B) lack of experience; and C) lack of education. Also, going from a single mushroom experience with half-an-eighth to the next with a full eighth is quite a leap for most people and can be really overwhelming. Throw in what sounds like a sincere lack of understanding regarding the actual safety of psilocybin mushrooms (e.g. 0% mortality rate) and it's easy for someone to go from agitated to panicking when these gaps are filled in by unfocused memories about how people die from eating mushrooms and hallucinogens can make you insane. I've heard similar stories about people freaking out and thinking they're going to die after eating cubes. There are more explanations for why this happens but the point is it isn't super-rare. I've never experienced it personally or with other people.
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Re: Some of my trip from yesterday and some questions about bad trips [Re: Land_Crab]
#7820131 - 01/01/08 01:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've never had a bad trip on shrooms. A few on weed, but they were mostly thought loops and "what if I stay this way".
I tripped with a friend a few days ago (on some very nice Thai shrooms), and she went bad after about two hours. She told me she was scared because her house wasn't her house anymore. After she'd calmed down a bit the real reason came out; she hadn't wanted to take so much at once, she'd just done it to be "cool". That was the main reason she was scared. She kept repeating over and over that today was not a good day to trip (she'd done it only once before), that it was her own fault it went wrong. And I guess that's really the main reason for bad trips for some people; the feeling that all the negative emotions and loss of control are your own fault. She had no idea how to stop a trip, which freaked her out even more.
I managed to turn her bad trip good by claiming I knew everything about shrooms (I don't obviously, but it was what she needed to hear) and we had an awesome trip together for the rest of the night. (We ate the shrooms around 7pm and I could swear it was 8am on the clock by the time we were sober again, so maybe we did take too much... it was my first full eighth, I didn't feel anything out of the ordinary though.) Afterwards she said the main reason for going bad was the loss of control, and the feeling of responsibility. It was in her own house, she was the one who'd suggested that day and still she felt she had no idea what was going on.
Anyway, sounds like you really handled it well, it really helps to tell people everything's going to be okay. You end up sounding like that Twilight Zone episode, everything is "good"... negative emotions are "good"... just make sure everyone tripping is prepared and knows how to deal with negative thoughts during a trip.
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