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Invisibleadrug

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Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be.
    #7813985 - 12/30/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:crazy: Just an idea I've been tossing around. :crazy:

So why worry?



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InvisibleSilversoul
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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: adrug]
    #7814002 - 12/30/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"Supposed to be" by whose standards? Without invoking God(which I assume you don't believe in) or some similar metaphysical concept like the Tao, I find it hard to determine an objective standard by which we can measure how things are "supposed to be."


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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: adrug]
    #7814014 - 12/30/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

adrug said:
:crazy: Just an idea I've been tossing around. :crazy:

So why worry?






I totally agree with this. For me it is self evident that things always go the only way they can and so are "supposed" to be that way.:thumbup:


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Invisibleadrug

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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7814040 - 12/30/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Technically I am not an athiest, because I can't without a doubt claim to know there is no god. Personally I find it highly unlikely that there is a god, a creator, whatever, but I can't claim to know the answer. hatta tells me that agnostics are just atheists who are too pussy to NOT believe in god. :smirk:

"supposed to be" Yes, I realize that's a very vague way of putting things and unfortunately its a bit hard for me to express this idea I'm playing with, but in the case my comment was derived from "supposed to be" just means things are what they are. I suppose it could be construed as a taoist attitude, the idea of acceptance.

As far as "measuring" what is "supposed to be", that's obviously not possible. What I'm getting at is that things are 'this way' because that's how they were always going to be.

Or maybe its just the antihistamines talking. :shrug:


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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: adrug]
    #7814078 - 12/30/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

agnostics are just atheists who are too pussy to NOT believe in god.

I hear this stupid statement here over and over. Agnostics are honest and realistic, atheists are people having emotional difficulties. I hope this clears things up for you.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: Icelander]
    #7814115 - 12/30/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Right.

Agnostics don't believe anything either way, that's more courageous than settling on YES or NO, imo.

Funny how Gnostics don't have beliefs either, they Gno...


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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: Icelander]
    #7814185 - 12/30/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
agnostics are just atheists who are too pussy to NOT believe in god.

I hear this stupid statement here over and over. Agnostics are honest and realistic, atheists are people having emotional difficulties. I hope this clears things up for you.




care to explain that a little more?


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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: Atheist]
    #7814218 - 12/30/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Firmly stating that you know there is no god is as ridiculous as stating that you know there's a god. That's pretty much about it. :shrug:


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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7814241 - 12/30/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

how? nobody has ever seen him/her/it

its like me saying that i believe a giant dildo is watching the earth from really far away

you tell me that it is not real and does not exist

arent you the more logical person here? id be crazy to actually believe in a giant galactic dildo

what is the fucking difference tho? its a big man with a beard in the sky ooooooh aaaaahhhhhh


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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: Atheist]
    #7814243 - 12/30/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

sorry for the extreme example


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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: Atheist]
    #7814267 - 12/30/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

And I am saying that most chances (from what we know until now) are that there's no giant dildo watching over us.
However, I am not entirely sure it is so, because I have so little data about our Universe.
BTW... why the dildo had to be giant? :lol:


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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: Middleman]
    #7817743 - 12/31/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Funny how Gnostics don't have beliefs either, they Gno... :rofl2:


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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: Icelander]
    #7817853 - 12/31/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

For a while I've been thinking of changing my title to "Agnostic Gnostic."


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Re: Everything is what it is because that is how it is supposed to be. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7819872 - 01/01/08 12:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I like it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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