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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7822216 - 01/02/08 12:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well it all depends on the situation you're in, who you are talking to, and the subject matter.
sometimes, even in those social situations you described earlier that being nice is better than being correct, there are times when being correct may be essential.
i think this post is really general....
unless of course you are just really saying is,
don't mind my debating style, i just think this is a place were being correct is more important.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: kaiowas]
#7822811 - 01/02/08 07:22 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7822872 - 01/02/08 08:14 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Maybe the only way to really be right is to be nice. Wouldnt that be a bummer?
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: daytripper23]
#7822879 - 01/02/08 08:21 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Can you translate this into real life? Being nice has nothing to do with one's ability to reason.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7822896 - 01/02/08 08:38 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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If by being right, you mean valid in the context of universal reality, then I would say they seem to coincide.
For real life examples I would cite the teachings of Buddhism and Taoism, among others.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: daytripper23]
#7822901 - 01/02/08 08:42 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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I mean we are talking about some pretty vague words here, but some might say that the buddha was both "Nice" and "right", and I am saying that it seems that this is more than a coincidence.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: daytripper23]
#7822931 - 01/02/08 09:01 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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daytripper23 said: If by being right, you mean valid in the context of universal reality, then I would say they seem to coincide.
For real life examples I would cite the teachings of Buddhism and Taoism, among others.
BOTH Buddhism and Taoism are "right" in a given context. You can't appreciate whether they are right or not at a universal scale, simple because you don't know the universe. I think we can twist words and meanings here, but it was pretty clear what this subject was about. This forum usually seems to be split in people who are bringing contra arguments (be them correct or incorrect) and people who get offended by those, being unable to separate themselves from the idea they present - which in extent makes them unable to step back and analyze the entire situation all over again (this is imperative for whoever wants to reason instead just argue). I think it is a great life lesson for everyone and it also builds a strong character. I learned that those who ask for "niceness" in such situations are not so nice themselves. Also they are not "right". I think that Buddha would have never had the pretension to ask niceness from anyone. Kinda makes you think.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: daytripper23]
#7822939 - 01/02/08 09:06 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Which is nicer, telling someone something that they want to hear or something that they need to hear; a brutal disillusioning truth or a gentle reinforcement of a fantasy?
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7822953 - 01/02/08 09:14 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Are you sure you want the honest answer?
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7822974 - 01/02/08 09:27 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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As long as you let me down easy...
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7822979 - 01/02/08 09:33 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Generally all I was trying to say, is that those I take for enlightened folk, seem to be nice. The way I see it, the wisdom of enlightened is more right than any democrat or republican.
Whose right pro-choice or pro-life?
One can conceptualize about being right, as if it simply means logistical validity, but the reality of any given situation, is that this validity must apply to something. So to answer your previous question, being "nice" (which could apply to artistic beauty, or compassion) has to do with the context of this reasoning.
I dont think that being right can be exlusively intuition or intellect. It must be a harmony of the two.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7822980 - 01/02/08 09:36 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Which is nicer, telling someone something that they want to hear or something that they need to hear; a brutal disillusioning truth or a gentle reinforcement of a fantasy?
What if what they want to hear and truth are the same thing? This certainly seems plausible. Perhaps through skillfull action, being nice and being truthful to another is the same thing. This makes the most sense to me.
Why is it that humanity seems to seek happiness through truth?
This is part of the reason I don't buy into certain cynical philosophies. When people are so sad, I cant believe they are right. Ignorance is not bliss. Awareness is.
You make it sound as if being nice, is always a gentle reinforcement of fantasy. But really, I cant see how gently reinforcing fantasy could be considered nice at all. Maybe it is nice like giving someone crack or heroin to deal with their issues.
My opinion is that through skillfull action, being nice and being are cooperative.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7822985 - 01/02/08 09:39 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: daytripper23]
#7823020 - 01/02/08 10:00 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Let's establish first what's nice for you. From the answers that you've been giving you seem to be OK with what people say, as long as they say it "nice". Well excuse my honesty, but this sounds a little gay.  People are so complex in their behavior and in the way they make use of language that it is absurd to state that someone is not nice only by the way they construct their answers. Kind of reminds me of all those so out fashioned psychology tests. You can never determine who someone really is based on how they write, emoticons they use... it's childish to think that niceness resides in that.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7823053 - 01/02/08 10:16 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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From the answers that you've been giving you seem to be OK with what people say, as long as they say it "nice". Well excuse my honesty, but this sounds a little gay. 
Nope. I did not say that. This is actually a good example of something that is both mean and ignorant.
What I said, is that I believe being nice, and being truthful are cooperative, and coincide, through skillful action.
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People are so complex in their behavior and in the way they make use of language that it is absurd to state that someone is not nice only by the way they construct their answers. Kind of reminds me of all those so out fashioned psychology tests. You can never determine who someone really is based on how they write, emoticons they use... it's childish to think that niceness resides in that.
Who someone is, is determined by their action. What do you think, that writing has no consequences? Ever read a book that changed your life? Writing, is action, that has both mental and physical consequences on others.
If someone wrote a highly influencial anti-semetic book, I would consider this person not "not nice" in the same way that I would call the action of killing jews not nice.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: daytripper23]
#7823096 - 01/02/08 10:29 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Nope. I did not say that. This is actually a good example of something that is both mean and ignorant.
WTF dude calm down  You clearly said:
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What if what they want to hear and truth are the same thing? This certainly seems plausible. Perhaps through skillfull action, being nice and being truthful to another is the same thing. This makes the most sense to me.
Perhaps the way I expressed myself was not entirely correct, but what I wanted to say was that you seem to be ok with hearing honesty, as long as it's presented in a "soft" manner. Try not to jump into conclusions nest time, and give straight answers. Getting offended doesn't improve any discussion.
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Who someone is, is determined by their action. What do you think, that writing has no consequences? Ever read a book? Writing, is action, that has both mental and physical consequences on others.
Excuse me saying that (or don't excuse me if you don't want) but I detect so much butt-hurt fullness in what you say. You can't change people and you can't change the way they respond to you. Going on and on about being nice and considering "skillful actions" (whatever that means ) is nothing more but a mental masturbation. Life IS as it is, and accepting reality (which is not to be confused with just agreeing) has proven to be the most efficient solution of handling this experience.
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If someone wrote a highly influencial anti-semetic book, I would consider this person not "not nice" in the same way that I would call the action of killing jews not nice.
I hope you are aware of the fact that many people would consider an act of antisemitism you calling jews... jews, instead of calling them Israelis.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7823203 - 01/02/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Nope. I did not say that. This is actually a good example of something that is both mean and ignorant.
WTF dude calm down  You clearly said:
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What if what they want to hear and truth are the same thing? This certainly seems plausible. Perhaps through skillfull action, being nice and being truthful to another is the same thing. This makes the most sense to me.
Perhaps the way I expressed myself was not entirely correct, but what I wanted to say was that you seem to be ok with hearing honesty, as long as it's presented in a "soft" manner. Try not to jump into conclusions nest time, and give straight answers. Getting offended doesn't improve any discussion.
I did not say that I think is ok to hear honesty as long as its presented in a "soft" manner. I do not think being nice is presenting things softly, though it can certainly be part of it.
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Who someone is, is determined by their action. What do you think, that writing has no consequences? Ever read a book? Writing, is action, that has both mental and physical consequences on others.
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MushroomTrip said: Excuse me saying that (or don't excuse me if you don't want) but I detect so much butt-hurt fullness in what you say.
Isnt it irrelavent whether I'm butthurt or not? I simply said that writing is an action, no different than others, with consequences.
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MushroomTrip said: You can't change people and you can't change the way they respond to you. Going on and on about being nice and considering "skillful actions" (whatever that means ) is nothing more but a mental masturbation.
Life IS as it is, and accepting reality (which is not to be confused with just agreeing) has proven to be the most efficient solution of handling this experience.
Again I was merely stating that writing has consequences, just like more physical activities.
But if you want to argue that ALL our actions have no external consequences, including activities spanning from shooting someone in the head, to writing a book about how to shoot someone in the head, then that is a valid opinion.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: daytripper23]
#7823221 - 01/02/08 11:05 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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And Ill describe to you what I mean by skillfull action.
It is effective pursuit of quality. If you are an artist, or have a degree of appreciation for fine art, you would know this is nothing to scoff at.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: daytripper23]
#7823252 - 01/02/08 11:13 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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It is effective pursuit of quality. If you are an artist, or have a degree of appreciation for fine art, this is not a concept to scoff at.
Pursuit of quality? One doesn't have to "pursue" quality in order to make art. Art in entirely subjective. Perhaps you would like to elaborate on your stance because the way it now, it's very vague.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7823300 - 01/02/08 11:21 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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Pursuit of quality? One doesn't have to "pursue" quality in order to make art.
Well you dont try to make shitty art do you? when you make art you try to make art of (Good) quality, and at the same time you are creating substantial quality. This is art in its two basic characteristics.
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Art in entirely subjective.
Nice!
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