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 OrgoneConclusion
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 Its more important to be nice than to be right 
#7812932 - 12/30/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This platitude works well in many arenas of life where social intercourse is important. But in many areas, the idea of getting along over principle is bullshit. Take the Iraq War for instance. Without getting into a political discussion, many leaders withheld their true feelings in order to get along with the majority and only came out of the closet when the polls told them it was OK to do so.
I get frequent PMs from various people saying I must be a bear IRL because of my confrontational debating style. Not so. However, without adversarial discussion, philosophy can never be refined, burning off the dross and keeping anything of substance.
It is like a MMA fighter who is a terror in the octagon and a gentleman outside the cage. There is a time and place to duke it out and a time to put the gloves away.
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 Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7812952 - 12/30/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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In addition to that I think that people will really get along only when they will stop getting offended. 
It's not the contradictory talking that separates people but the superiority complex. 
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7813008 - 12/30/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eat my shorts
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: Icelander]
#7813010 - 12/30/07 10:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7813019 - 12/30/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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But getting offended is fun! 
Moral outrage gives one a shot of self-righteous adrenalin and a misdirected focus for one's pent up anger.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7813043 - 12/30/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Take the Iraq War for instance. Without getting into a political discussion, many leaders withheld their true feelings in order to get along with the majority and only came out of the closet when the polls told them it was OK to do so.
Why mention something if you don't plan to discuss it?, but at the same time plan to use it to support your position in an argument. Is there a name for that tactic in confrontational debate? Hmmm...
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7813062 - 12/30/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Its more important to be nice than to be right
aw, that's nice... but you're wrong.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: falcon]
#7813148 - 12/30/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because a discussion can branch in almost any direction and that particular direction has been discussed in a hundred threads on the Political Forum if you are anxious to go down that path.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7813183 - 12/30/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because a discussion can branch in almost any direction
Yes it can, and since you are using that as a support for your argument, you put it on the table for discussion. Your denial of it as point of contention is disingenuous.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7813218 - 12/30/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think either quality matters.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: falcon]
#7813436 - 12/30/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your denial... is disingenuous.
That's because I am not from around here.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7813898 - 12/30/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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dross dross dross. Where is this substance you speak of?
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7813920 - 12/30/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Huehuecoyotl said:
I don't think quality matters.
And you are living proof. Butt I still luv ya brother.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7814205 - 12/30/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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without adversarial discussion, philosophy can never be refined
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7814291 - 12/30/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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People ALWAYS do things for positive reasons... even if the outcome is not always viewed as positive.
I imagine Hitler did what he did for positive reasons (at least in HIS head).
People who insist others should act, "Nicer" do so with the best of intentions. People who try to teach, "Truth" to others, also have good intentions.
The dramatic irony from where I sit is: "Right" and "Nice" are both relative terms.
One man's, "Right" is another man's garbage... and one man's, "Nice" is another man's evil.
This is why we can't all get along... ... and THAT is why Rodney King still cries himself to sleep at night. 
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Edited by Rose (12/30/07 04:39 PM)
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: Rose]
#7815132 - 12/30/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I need proof OC that you have ever chosen to be nice as opposed to right.
I just don't believe it! 
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7815187 - 12/30/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's easier to know that you're being nice than to know that you're right(although many pretend to be capable of such).
Those who "know" they're right are usually the biggest Cosmic Schmucks out there.
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Edited by Silversoul (12/30/07 09:11 PM)
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: mushbaby]
#7815220 - 12/30/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think Orgone makes a decent point here. Politics should be entirely systematic, based upon basic human principles. Religion, emotion, "Good-will" have no place in politics, in any explicit, or sublime form, because they can and will always be used to exploit the populous.
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Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7816012 - 12/31/07 05:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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As I see it they are not entirely inclusive(*).
I think 'wrong' can be sold behind a 'nice' mask and of course is most often, almost always be done so.
To sell 'right' behind a 'bad' mask is also a possibility and in the 'right' light, that is that kind what 'rebells' do.. There it becomes tricky, as their bad only must not violate their sense of 'right', what's not true for the wrong-doer who think they do right - damned, I stepped into the context trap again 
edit: *I wrote exclusive, but meant inclusive, sorry folks for eventual confusion !
Edited by BlueCoyote (01/02/08 12:57 PM)
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 Re: Its more important to be nice than to be right [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7818636 - 12/31/07 11:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
It is like a MMA fighter who is a terror in the octagon and a gentleman outside the cage.
There is a time and place to duke it out and a time to put the gloves away.
Is the fighter a "terror" in the octagon because of his expertise in submissions, or because of his practice of bloody brute force....?
Sometimes you need a spoon, sometimes you need a fork.... 
There is a strategy in maneuvering thru any situation in life....
Personally, I think you would be cool outside the ring too.... 
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