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Is this a good idea
    #7812755 - 12/30/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've been flipping my colonized brf jars over every other day.
Is this good for the mycelium or no?

They seem to be colonizing nicely though.


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: Shroom Empire]
    #7812759 - 12/30/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Not really, fliping is something to try if your jars stall nearing ending of colinisation.

Fliping them will disturb the dry verm layer possibly allowing contams that it has cought to get to the substrate.


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7812784 - 12/30/07 08:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I;ll be sure to stop flipping them then, I thought it was for gas exchange.


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: Shroom Empire]
    #7812987 - 12/30/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

THe holes at the top of the jar are for gas exchange.

I know it's hard. But the best thing you can do for your jars is put them away, and check on them in about a week.


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: mushbaby]
    #7812991 - 12/30/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Just leave them for a week, i have never flipped any of my jars, i have read lots of posts on it, and it has never really been proved that it has any positive effect


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7813121 - 12/30/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yes it has been proved

when flipping is done right, the benefits are undeniable

but it's something to do last, as it usually triggers pinning


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: anarchOi]
    #7813958 - 12/30/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No it hasn't. The only benefit of flipping is basically to get the bottom of the jar off the glass, which helps that last inch of bare substrate colonize?

How on earth would flipping be a pinning trigger?


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: Nibin]
    #7817269 - 12/31/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Should I leave my jars upside down?


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: Shroom Empire]
    #7817289 - 12/31/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Lol Yeah id like to know how flipping it over would trigger pinning myself ? Also you would think if you flipped it over on the holes, you would be getting LESS air exchange. Also If your jars are in a TiT incubator (for example)how would you be getting air exchange when their all closed up for a week+ ?


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: DontPlay]
    #7817379 - 12/31/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Fresh air exchange is not something you want until full colonization,its the fresh air that is the pinning trigger.Before full colonization gas exchange is the issue not fresh air


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: Blutjager]
    #7817726 - 12/31/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Fresh air exchange is not something you want until full colonization,its the fresh air that is the pinning trigger.Before full colonization gas exchange is the issue not fresh air




when you flip the jar over, it pulls in new air aka fresh air which can trigger pinning

also wouldn't you say it's a benefit for the last half to colonize?
usually they have a hard time colonizing down because the cake is too compact
i would probably argue that the last half colonizes twice as fast when flipped


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: anarchOi]
    #7818890 - 01/01/08 01:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Fresh air exchange is not something you want until full colonization,its the fresh air that is the pinning trigger.Before full colonization gas exchange is the issue not fresh air




when you flip the jar over, it pulls in new air aka fresh air which can trigger pinning

also wouldn't you say it's a benefit for the last half to colonize?
usually they have a hard time colonizing down because the cake is too compact
i would probably argue that the last half colonizes twice as fast when flipped




That tiny amount of air isn't FAE it's just gas exchange.


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: Nibin]
    #7819467 - 01/01/08 09:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's a good point. Plants sense gravity. (I know fungi are not plants) You flip it and it has to readjust. The question is, within the narrow confines of the cultivation method people use, does flipping have any beneficial effect? I wouldn't rule it out.


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: monkeybus]
    #7820108 - 01/01/08 01:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It's a good point. Plants sense gravity. (I know fungi are not plants) You flip it and it has to readjust. The question is, within the narrow confines of the cultivation method people use, does flipping have any beneficial effect? I wouldn't rule it out.




PLANTS sense gravity, that doesn't mean fungi do. And even if they do, that might affect the directions the shrooms grow in, for example, but certainly wouldn't be a pinning trigger.


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: Nibin]
    #7820911 - 01/01/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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PLANTS sense gravity, that doesn't mean fungi do. And even if they do, that might affect the directions the shrooms grow in, for example, but certainly wouldn't be a pinning trigger.




I never mentioned pinning triggers.

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does flipping have any beneficial effect?




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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: anarchOi]
    #7821084 - 01/01/08 06:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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when you flip the jar over, it pulls in new air aka fresh air which can trigger pinning




People flip their jars so that the heavier-than-air CO2 will (in theory) seep out of the holes and help the myc breathe a little better. Pinning is triggered when the substrate is fully colonized and fruiting conditions (temp, humidity, etc.) are present. Any substrate jar will pin if left fully colonized long enough, regardless if it's flipped or not.


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: FooMan]
    #7821156 - 01/01/08 06:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

was wondering if it would help ,if after jars are fully colonized your suppose to leave them for a week before birthing would it help to take the lids off to get knots before the birthing,if you a had a dry layer of fine verm on top.would it speed up things or leave me more open to contamination!


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: Substance D]
    #7821289 - 01/01/08 07:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It would leave you open to drying your cake out. You're overthinking this bro. You don't need to wait for knots to form. Once it looks fully colonized, you can wait a few more days before birthing to make sure the jar is colonized throughout, or you can birth it then. Either way, the mushrooms won't grow until the mycelium is ready and fruiting parameters are present.


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: FooMan]
    #7821575 - 01/01/08 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It would leave you open to drying your cake out. You're overthinking this bro. You don't need to wait for knots to form. Once it looks fully colonized, you can wait a few more days before birthing to make sure the jar is colonized throughout, or you can birth it then. Either way, the mushrooms won't grow until the mycelium is ready and fruiting parameters are present.


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Re: Is this a good idea [Re: FooMan]
    #7823167 - 01/02/08 10:48 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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when you flip the jar over, it pulls in new air aka fresh air which can trigger pinning




People flip their jars so that the heavier-than-air CO2 will (in theory) seep out of the holes and help the myc breathe a little better. Pinning is triggered when the substrate is fully colonized and fruiting conditions (temp, humidity, etc.) are present. Any substrate jar will pin if left fully colonized long enough, regardless if it's flipped or not.




i flip my jars so that the last half can colonize the usually too compacted substrate
you obviously don't know very much if you think the substrate being fully colonized is required for pinning

ok now explain to me this, you say, all you need is gas exchange and not fresh air exhange
when the c02 is released, what goes back inside the jar? it obviously doesn't just create a vacuum


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