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Offlinegluke bastid
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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7823571 - 01/02/08 12:25 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

No. In relation to schools I am much more pragmatic than that. The same textbook, chemistry lab equipment, musical instruments, afterschool programs, and teacher to student ratio are a good start. Proclaiming that equal situations don't exist and therefore equal opportunity doesn't exist is a cop-out of our social responsibility to strive for an even playing field for students. Something that we are light years away from and not doing enough about.


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7823587 - 01/02/08 12:30 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Well, so am I, but the notion of "equal opportunity" needs to be clearly understood for what it is, a notion. :wink:


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7823608 - 01/02/08 12:36 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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Something that we are light years away from and not doing enough about.




We never will if we allow the federal government their undue authority to attempt to control everything. The more decentralized government is, the better. Check out the thread in which I'm discussing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 with someone else, "Vote for Ron Paul PLEASE!". The federal government has expanded itself malignantly under unjust interpretations of the Commerce clause of the Constitution, thus giving itself more authority over matters that are within the authority of the individual state's. They've used similar, unjust interpretations of the Commerce clause to give itself more authority over matters that are within the authority of the individual human being, such as, for instance, the ingestion of psychadelics. :mushroom2: They've also carried their responsibility of national defense too far by drawing our borders far away on foreign soil.

This insane, Unconstitutional expansion of federal government is the reason why we aren't doing enough about education, immigration, the value of our currency, etc. There is only one candidate for president that understands this and would work to restrict the federal government with a strict interpretation of the Constitution. Ron Paul. :smile:


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7823801 - 01/02/08 01:30 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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fireworks_god said:
So, will every school have the same teacher?




No.

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The same exact knowledge?




No.

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The same exact curriculum?




Not quite.

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The same exact students, thus, the same exact discussions?




No.

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The same exact physical learning environment?




And no.


Envision a system of schools, all supported under a federal voucher program, all receiving equal compensation for each child they're able to educate. This would increase equal opportunity, increase competition (and thus quality), increase the choices for parents and increase the diversity of classroom technique.

As long as some sort of rational system for assessment can be devised, this is something worth striving for.


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: Gijith]
    #7823835 - 01/02/08 01:39 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

off topic.. your sig is

"Iraq is the end of America as a superpower" - Pat Buchanan

Did he really say this?


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: BrAiN]
    #7823855 - 01/02/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Yes, though I'm not sure if I have it exactly verbatim.

I heard it on an episode of the McLaughlin Group that aired last year.


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: Redstorm]
    #7824469 - 01/02/08 05:26 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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No, they don't need that federal funding




Saying so doesn't make it true. Why don't they need the money?




Still waiting.


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7825132 - 01/02/08 08:03 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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The further the government is centered away from the people, the more tyranny there is. This is a natural fact - freedom and tryanny are opposing ends of the same spectrum.




That's the key point here. Everything else is just details that can and will have problems like every other detail does. It's the direction that counts.


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: Redstorm]
    #7826344 - 01/03/08 02:41 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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Still waiting.




Learn to read; I already addressed your question.


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7826366 - 01/03/08 02:57 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

All right, I'll even humor you. :smirk:

In summary of the answers I've already provided, these state schools do not need federal spending because the costs of receiving it are more than the money is worth, and because the money itself is obtained and managed through improper, counter-productive means.

Cutting federal taxes would mean that there would be more money in each state to be put into that state's education. It would mean that the representatives of each state could enter into Congress, representing money, and form agreements as to how they could redistribute money to ensure that all Americans receive "equal opportunity" in education, instead of entering into Washington to apportion their money back to their states, all the while an inefficent, incapable, probably Unconstitutional bureaucracy sends money back into state schools while holding schools accountable to it.

It doesn't work, it isn't suspossed to be this way, and there are better alternatives. When I say they don't need that federal spending, this is why. Makes sense to me. :strokebeard:


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7826459 - 01/03/08 05:12 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Isn't it still possible for the schools to receive federal funding without the same expensive measures of accountability?

Before NCLB, it seemed to work a bit better.


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Re: Ron Paul is FOR public schools [Re: Redstorm]
    #7826480 - 01/03/08 05:41 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Well, I think something like NCLB naturally resulted from concerns that the federal funding that was being used was being used effectively... but I'm not a scholar on it. :wink: Undoubtedly, intended or not, it is simply another measure to take away state rights, and, subsequently, the rights of the people. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that schools don't need funding, just that they don't need federal funding, unless that federal funding is put forth from individual states working together in Congress. Having a top-down federal government take money directly from the people, bypassing the state, and to then start putting money into the state seems inherently flawed, creating a circumstance in which someone like Bush can empower a federal bureaucracy in such a manner.


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