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Floatation tank.
    #7811252 - 12/29/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Has anyone here had experience with a floatation/sensory deprivation tank? I've been reading testimonials and it simply sounds like an amazing experience. Definitely something I intend to immerse myself in within the next 3 months. I found a place in NYC that is well-reviewed and charges $70/1hr or $90/1.5hrs. I'm gonna go for the latter. I intend to get some practice, do it a few times sober, before I venture into it under the influence of a psychedelic.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811358 - 12/29/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

have you been reading john lilly?

No, I haven't had any experience. It has always sounded slightly interesting, but I've never got around to looking into actually finding a tank.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: C20H25N3O]
    #7811363 - 12/29/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No I haven't, though AlteredAgain did show me a book he was reading by John Lilly when we hung out last weekend...I was intrigued.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811371 - 12/29/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'd like to do it. I'm way too cheap to pay those prices though.








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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: Learyfan]
    #7811388 - 12/29/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Way too much money.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: spud]
    #7811406 - 12/29/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How much do they cost to buy one for yourself?


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: spud]
    #7811413 - 12/29/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah. I mean, it would be rad, but it's just a tank with water in it.







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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: Learyfan]
    #7811419 - 12/29/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah. I mean, it would be rad, but it's just a tank with water in it.




Uhh...yeah..water that adjusts itself to your exact body temperature, that is peppered with the same type of salt concentration as the Dead Sea, so you completely float and all pressure is taken off your muscles. You think this is the same as a bathtub or something? All pressure off your body leads to physical stress relief. A lack of audio or visual input (sound + lightproof, the floatation tank is) leads to mental clarity. And then when you've achieved both, many people report a phenomenal meshing of the two, so that the line between mind and body is blurred.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811425 - 12/29/07 07:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Jeez.  Chill out dude.  It's cool.  :stoned:








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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811432 - 12/29/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah. I mean, it would be rad, but it's just a tank with water in it.




Uhh...yeah..water that adjusts itself to your exact body temperature, that is peppered with the same type of salt concentration as the Dead Sea, so you completely float and all pressure is taken off your muscles. You think this is the same as a bathtub or something? All pressure off your body leads to physical stress relief. A lack of audio or visual input (sound + lightproof, the floatation tank is) leads to mental clarity. And then when you've achieved both, many people report a phenomenal meshing of the two, so that the line between mind and body is blurred.




Every source I've read concerning the matter shows it no more useful nor productive than deep meditation.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: Learyfan]
    #7811434 - 12/29/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Jeez.  Chill out dude.  It's cool.  :stoned:











People who invest loads of money in quack medicine or "alternative medicine" are often very quick to get defensive.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: spud]
    #7811437 - 12/29/07 07:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Meditation works for some people and not for others...sure is cheaper, though.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: spud]
    #7811442 - 12/29/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well I'm sure that it's very cool. I just wouldn't pay $90 or whatever for just an 1 1/2 hours. I'm just cheap though.








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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: Learyfan]
    #7811444 - 12/29/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Make your own. Just throw a bunch of salt into your bath tub and go head first into a sleeping bag then jump in have fun as you're gonna trip balls!


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811445 - 12/29/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Same goes for deprivation tank, there are reports of people who actually find it terrible. Sensory deprivation is often used as a form of torture, such as in Guantanamo Bay.

Everything I've read positive that can result from meditation or isolation tank is achievable for myself simply by taking a light jog through some nature trail.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: spud]
    #7811459 - 12/29/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Same goes for deprivation tank, there are reports of people who actually find it terrible. Sensory deprivation is often used as a form of torture, such as in Guantanamo Bay.

Everything I've read positive that can result from meditation or isolation tank is achievable for myself simply by taking a light jog through some nature trail.




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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811466 - 12/29/07 07:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm going to test the waters for the first time in January. There's this place called Zero Gravity that is very close to home. They offer $60/hour or four 1-hour sessions for $200.

John Lilly's first-hand accounts of the tank provide a useful operating manual for this kind of psychedelic exploration.

Regardless, even in a sober state, the effects of floating are phenomenal enough I hear. :smile:


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811470 - 12/29/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Have read/seen the book/movie Altered States?



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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: veggie]
    #7811471 - 12/29/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Seen the movie but never read the book. Worthwhile?


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7811477 - 12/29/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm going to test the waters for the first time in January. There's this place called Zero Gravity that is very close to home. They offer $60/hour or four 1-hour sessions for $200.

John Lilly's first-hand accounts of the tank provide a useful operating manual for this kind of psychedelic exploration.

Regardless, even in a sober state, the effects of floating are phenomenal enough I hear. :smile:




Yo altered, where can I find sound bytes or vid's of this John Lilly(his name correlates with what he does) guy?


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7811479 - 12/29/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

BTW you guys should show up stoned your first time, I hear it's quite the trip!


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811484 - 12/29/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely worthwhile.
I'm sure your experience won't be as intense. :smirk:

Sounds like a blast. Have fun!


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7811485 - 12/29/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Lilly was big on ketamine and his isolation tank. Although Ketamene and his hot tub almost killed him If I remember correctly. Its been a little while since I read about Lilly.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7811510 - 12/29/07 07:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yo altered, where can I find sound bytes or vid's of this John Lilly(his name correlates with what he does) guy?




I'm not aware of any. I only know him through his words.

His book on metaprogramming will give you an idea of what he's about, although his other works are far more pleasant to read.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: C20H25N3O]
    #7811516 - 12/29/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The K years came later in his life, I think. He's done some interesting dolphin research before he began exploring LSD in the isolation tank.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7811638 - 12/29/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The K years came later in his life, I think. He's done some interesting dolphin research before he began exploring LSD in the isolation tank.




from what little I remember about Lilly I do know that the chronological order you suggest is accurate.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811646 - 12/29/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I found a place in NYC that is well-reviewed and charges $70/1hr or $90/1.5hrs.




Sounds like you've already been deprived of your sense!


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: adrug]
    #7811651 - 12/29/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I found a place in NYC that is well-reviewed and charges $70/1hr or $90/1.5hrs.




Sounds like you've already been deprived of your sense!




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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: adrug]
    #7811653 - 12/29/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: Touché.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811840 - 12/29/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)
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you might want to read this

also, i bought a 1974 version of john lilly's metaprogramming in the human biocomputer from the strand for a dollar before i had ever heard of him. then i lost it...

i've never read any of his other books, and it seems too expensive to buy them used, anyone have center of the cyclone?


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811841 - 12/29/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you might want to read this

http://rapidshare.com/files/80001652/the_deep_self_by_john_lilly.pdf.html

also, i bought a 1974 version of john lilly's metaprogramming in the human biocomputer from the strand for a dollar before i had ever heard of him. then i lost it...

i've never read any of his other books, and it seems too expensive to buy them used, anyone have center of the cyclone?


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7811848 - 12/29/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm almost through with CotC. Bought it used for a buck. :thumbup:


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811860 - 12/29/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

this is a cool clip for those who havn't seen it:

joe rogan isolation tank


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7811881 - 12/29/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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anyone have center of the cyclone?



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Yes, not his best, but it's a great introduction. I'd recommend "the scientist" after that.
Yeppers on the 90 clams for an hour and a half being too expensive. From what I've heard, 40-60 hr is the usual rate. A new tank runs about 6k and you then need a good deal of epson salt(7-800Lbs rings a bell). There's actually a suprising number of used tanks on the market that are around the 3-5k range. American dollars that is. I never had the opportunity to try out a tank. Too pricey to buy for me and whenever I intended to go for a session, something came up in my life to divert my attention.
A previous poster inquired about Dr. Lilly nearly killing himself on K and yes, he nearly did so a few times. The most noted was when he k-holed and landed face down in his swimming pool. His wife then recieved a call from someone they have'nt heard from in years, who wanted to talk to John. She went to retrieve him and discovered him just in time to save his life. He also got in a nasty bicycle accident. Too bad Lilly somehow gets clumped in with modern day new age fluffy-bunnyism. He certainly had a most scientific mind and actually put his own life on the line to break new ground, instead of merely theorizing. An explorer in the true sense of the word.
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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: lavod]
    #7811893 - 12/29/07 10:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

oh yeah its relatively cheap to make a floatation tank yourself if you have the space. just some wood, sealant, filter, heater seasalt and padding...


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7811913 - 12/29/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

When I sit in my room with the lights off and my mind focused no external stimuli affects me anyways.

If you have patience you could achieve a similar state for $0.. What has been described in this thread sounds like a deep meditation :shrug:


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7812087 - 12/29/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think it sounds awesome. Do it.


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7812761 - 12/30/07 07:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Has anyone here had experience with a floatation/sensory deprivation tank? I've been reading testimonials and it simply sounds like an amazing experience. Definitely something I intend to immerse myself in within the next 3 months. I found a place in NYC that is well-reviewed and charges $70/1hr or $90/1.5hrs. I'm gonna go for the latter. I intend to get some practice, do it a few times sober, before I venture into it under the influence of a psychedelic.




no i haven't OLF- but thanks for turning me on to this - I have ALWAYS been interested in this sort of thing - I have tons of back/neck problems, PLUS I am sure you can have some real meditative experiences in this thing - $90. is a spicy meatball though (even $70.) but I think once every 2 months would be good.
If i do it - I will post about it.
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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: Cepheus]
    #7812805 - 12/30/07 08:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What has been described in this thread sounds like a deep meditation :shrug:




But while FLOATING!


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Re: Floatation tank. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7812900 - 12/30/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

While I have not done this in a tank. Sounds fun for mediation. I do use a 12ft round x 3ft deep pool. Started floating for back problems a few years ago. You can close your eyes and go were you want or watch the clouds float by. The ducks fling by while tripping on shroom will never be forgotten.

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