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Too Much Steam In FC?
    #7810912 - 12/29/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hello fellow Shroomerites,
I've been lurking on this site for a couple years now,
and have has much success on the pftek, thanks to magash, rr, and many others.

I am trying modified martha setup, I have it setup with one vicks warm mist humidifier, and it spills lots of steam into my FC,
so much, that it bothers me, in my gut, ya know.

I have one casing that has had a few mushrooms popped up prior to me
setting them inside this modified martha technique.

I know misting str8 onto non-dunked cakes/fruits is bad,
and can cuase serious rotting issues.

my question is, my martha setup appears to running great, other than its spewing so much steam, its "fog-land" inside.

I've searched all over to see if anyone has brought up something like this, but couldnt find anything related.

so my question is, can there be too much foggy steam inside the FC?
is there even a piont when it becomes to much?

everything else is working perfect, I got 76degrees/96%RH, reading on all my hygrometers.

I might just be getting a bit nervous, has I have never tried this setup before.

if anyone has any info regarding heavy steam inside the martha setup, please let a fellow hobbiest know, it would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: JusListen]
    #7810983 - 12/29/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

put your humidifier on a timer.


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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7811007 - 12/29/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes you can have too much if it begins condensing on surfaces and then dropping water onto your casings.

One way to remedy it, like blood for blood said, is put your humdifier on a timer. Or you can also put pieces of plastic above each level of casings at a slant. This will allow all the condensation to slide down the plastic and away from your casing. I would just go for a timer though.


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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #7811579 - 12/29/07 08:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

there can be too much steam, thre shouldnt be any. Visible steam will be well over 100 degrees and it will kill your cakes


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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: tahoe]
    #7812477 - 12/30/07 01:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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tahoe said:
there can be too much steam, thre shouldnt be any. Visible steam will be well over 100 degrees and it will kill your cakes




Fog and mist is "steam" and not over 100 degrees a lot of the time...


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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: Nibin]
    #7812723 - 12/30/07 07:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Use a cool mist humidifier with a spinning impeller, not steam.
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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7812781 - 12/30/07 08:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, that is th fact indeed Nibin.

my gauges inside the Martha setup,
have stayed steady at 80 deg/100% RH thus far.

RR, I bought the warm mist one that steams, becuase of
the climate I live in, snow snow snow...which means cold..
the light, and the vicks warm mist seems to keep everything optimal.

RR, is there a downside to warm mist steam at all?
have you heard any horror stories?
I do plan on getting a cool mist once the season changes a bit.

plus, I added an ionic air cleanser made by holmes,
which basically acts has a fan, which is cuting the steam back a bit.

once I can get my hands on a cam, i'll supply some pics.

thanks again for the 411 ya'll!


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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: JusListen]
    #7814030 - 12/30/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Warm mist = Temp inside FC > Temp outside FC = Condensation = lowering of RH


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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: Nibin]
    #7814069 - 12/30/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

steam and fruiting? steam = heat...

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unless you're in Siberia i don't think you need "steam" to fruit.


Edited by jeetered (12/30/07 03:30 PM)


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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: jeetered]
    #7814158 - 12/30/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Fog and mist is "steam" and not over 100 degrees a lot of the time...




As per Wikipedia:

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In physical chemistry, and in engineering, steam refers to vaporized water. It is a pure, completely invisible gas.

Mist is a phenomenon of small droplets suspended in air.




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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: thedefone]
    #7814265 - 12/30/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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thedefone said:
Quote:

Fog and mist is "steam" and not over 100 degrees a lot of the time...




As per Wikipedia:

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In physical chemistry, and in engineering, steam refers to vaporized water. It is a pure, completely invisible gas.

Mist is a phenomenon of small droplets suspended in air.







Notice the inverted commas? they were there for a reason.

I was talking about what we know in laymans terms as steam, you know the stuff that comes off your pot of water when boiling the pasta, which is basically a mix of air, water vapour and condensed droplets in suspension. But we call it steam.


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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: Nibin]
    #7814327 - 12/30/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Just pointing it out.

Anyway, as long as your casings aren't getting soaked, and there isn't too much water pooling at the bottom of your FC then you should be okay. You could try putting it on a timer, too.


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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7814536 - 12/30/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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blood4blood said:
put your humidifier on a timer.




I would listen to this guy. I sounds to me to be a simple "dialing" issue. So many people just want to get started or to try a new piece of equipment that they just barge right on into the project. Take a step back and allot about a week of time to get your chamber to the right settings. I wanted to use steam myself at one time but I didn't because (stupidly) I depended on others help... and when I received none, was very disapointed by the comunity(I was young and have been lurking since I was 13!). So I wish you very well and really do hope to see you succeed here. Please keep us posted on your success!:D:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:


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Re: Too Much Steam In FC? [Re: Crake]
    #7815397 - 12/30/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for all the responses..

I bought a new timer, and bought extra "tabs" to get more frequency in turning the vicks warm mist on and off.

I have it set to turn on for one hour, every other hour.

how does that sound?

I appreciate the good idea about the timer, like why didnt I think of that myself, I smoke to much I guess hah.

anyhow, I have a much better gut feeling about this whole new setup I got running, thanks again to all the heads on here actually helping others out. good look guys.

I've been wanting to build something of this caliber for awhile now,
and I basially took old cakes entering thier third flush stage, and cased them. I have a bunch of jars incubating right now, so these casings inside the modified martha, are just a give it a shit kinda thing, so mistakes are no big huge deal, just want to get the setup working flawless by the time my newer cakes are done incubating.

i'll keep all you guys updated has this goes along,
looks like i'll be having a bit of tea just in time for new years!

hope you all have a good new years yourselfs.

peace, love and happiness


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