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NeuroscientificW ![]() Registered: 06/13/05 Posts: 30 Loc: High Desert, NM Last seen: 14 years, 11 months |
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This is a four page article I just wrote. I did not site any sources, and if I ever were to use it for something I would go back and do so. My information is accurate, I don't talk about things I do not personally have knowledge of. Also a lot of this article is purely hypothetical and should be taken in that way. That said, enjoy!
I went down to the auto store to pick myself up a bottle of starting fluid. I didn’t need to start a cold engine or anything like that. I needed a fix. Diethyl ether, ether, and hexane are the primary constituent of starting fluid. The hexane’s probably not too good for you, and the ethers’ can cause such serious respiratory depression, that one can suffer a complete respiratory arrest during its intensely psychedelic effects. Traditionally ether was used in anesthesiology in earlier times for surgery. The right dosage can produce the loss of consciousness required to operate on a patient. Ether is also a very powerful solvent and capable of doing an exorbitant amount of damage in the right dosage. The medical reasons I shouldn’t experiment with ether never bothered me, but I’m sure now, the possible longer lasting effects do. ------------- I was always trying to go “there” and come back “here” and be able to explain it all. I knew if I could, I could explain just about anything. Maybe it’s what the shamans who drank Ayausca were seeking to achieve. Furthermore, it could be the same experience the religious icons of our major belief systems were trying to explain to us so long ago. I always thought our beloved biblical documents could have been written by the hand of man, in a state of complete hallucinogenic inebriation, in which he believed he was hearing an all-powerful being. If you’ve ever tripped I’m sure you stumbled onto a similar experience. Hell, a scientist has even perfected a helmet, that using electromagnetic fields, can stimulate the brain in a way that more often than not induces the “god experience”. Yet for those few others it seems to be an experience that, maybe in their own agnostic ways, could be just as important to them as hearing my god talk. Personally I feel I would have the same experience as the author of “This is Your Brain on God”, a wired magazine article. He saw his young lover, I know exactly who I would see. What does it prove? Well, deep within our consciousness there are levels of memory that are completely locked away from us. Molested children tend to have these areas filled with complete sensory playback information for those devastating experiences our mind has deemed too dangerous to remember. Fear is what triggers it. War victims, serious motor vehicle accidents, traumatic surgeries, even seeing a spider, these are all common causes of a syndrome we have called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. In the grips of a flashback, a common symptom of PTSD, this memory is played back to in a manner that causes the victim believe they are truly experiencing it all over again, only to return to normal consciousness and sometimes completely forget the experience altogether. An even more serious condition, which has been declared completely separate from PTSD, is Dissociative Identity Disorder(DiD). The most common example is of a child that has been molested frequently from ages 2 to 8. These children sometimes enter a dissociative state during the event. During this state the child is “not there”, and some of the time it may be replaced by another personality, which years after the events might still be with them; whether the alter ego’s presence was ever actually acknowledged or not. How about possession? You know, “The Exorcist”, the devil possesses a young girl. Sure in the movie the girl has some crazy supernatural powers, but exorcism does have a strong history in cases where the society true felt an individual was “possessed”. This all fits perfectly into the same syndrome, fear triggers memories to be completely forgotten, and in repeated cases, the brain takes precautionary measures to insure it is never experienced. The point to be made is, since the beginning of the human era, man hasn’t want to answer the three key questions that our consciousness raises. How did we get here? Why are we here? What happens when we leave here? We are so fearful of these questions, so terrified of the answers we can come up with, that we have as a society systematically locked it away, so that our lucky offspring need not worry about any of it. At least, this is what popular culture has been doing since its debut in the middle east. This entire religious syndrome, which can be unlocked on command using either a metal helmet, or an ethneogenic (“god containing”) chemical, is technically no different than the same latent psychological phenomenon described above. Yet it’s not the whole contradiction of religion that I’m truly interested in. Personally, I have found that religion is just a very popular crutch people use to answer these questions. Religion teaches to accept that those who came before them already figured out this problem. That they merely spoke “God’s Word” and therefor are infallible. Yet they are men, and they are fallible. Whether or not a god was involved, the story came out thousands of different ways to thousands of different cultures. Take the simple game of “Telephone”, where a message is relayed one-by-one through separate groups of people, the last member of each group then tells what they heard. Each group’s message is more than likely altered by either lack of hearing, attention, or the desire to corrupt the message entirely for an individual’s own benefit. Proof enough for me that man is never infallible, and that I should pursue my own beliefs, influenced only by my own personal experiences, or occasionally my interpretation of the messages of others. I think the aforementioned shamans of South America had the opportunity to try convening with these ethneogens, never once being told what was truth or untruth. Rather it was in some native cultures, a rite of passage, to drink the sacred brew Ayausca, and experience for themselves the answers to those three plaguing questions. Whatever they all found, alleviated their fears. Western Civilization is known for its fearful religious systems. Whether or not they are means for control as it is so obvious to others, or just systems to truly help ease one’s fear (as they are also quite effective in doing), do you think the last Pope was not without a shred of fear upon his death bed? This same truth is what I’ve found, and in my years have been desperately trying to record. It is after some time in my life that I have stopped trying to get the message to everyone. It is not the message that is important, it is the experience. On that note, I will continue about my past experiences with ether. ------------- Ether provides the quickest means to achieve that “psychedelic peak” I was looking for, at least out of the options I had at the time. A few inhalations, and you can become so disoriented that you are in essence experiencing the same effect of peaking on a psychedelic. It always interested me that the idea of death has always played a role in my psychedelic endeavors. I cannot recall a single experience that I did not experience death in some shape or form. Every single time I resolved that death is not something to be afraid of, although it means sacrificing everything you know and love on this plane of existence, it was merely a part of life. Many times I felt that the experience of psychedelics peaks was in essence the same experience of death. Maybe it is because of the chemical DMT, which our brain releases only in the most severe conditions, such as birth and death. DiMethylTryptamine is a chemical extremely similar to Serotonin (the happy/sad chemical), and Melatonin (the sleepy chemical). It is also similar to chemicals like Psilocybin and Psilocin (the primary psychedelic constituents of “Sacred Mushrooms”), or even LSD. As an aside, adrenaline, or epinephrine, is the chemical which causes us to experience fear, or react to it with seemingly super-human strength. The popular Ephedra or Ephedrine is an example of this in drug form, other similar chemicals are Ritalin, or mescaline, even MethyleneDioxyMethylAmphetamine (MDMA). So what is the peak? I grabbed a rag, and sprayed on a good amount of starting fluid, enough to wet the rag visibly, and remain there as I allowed the chemical to enter my blood stream through my sinuses. I let the vapors enter on their own prerogative, and allowed time here and there to breathe without the rag over my nose. Things began to get strange, music seemed to mirror itself or maybe become the auditory equivalent of fractal imagery. Quickly it was as though I was no longer even experiencing reality, and yet I was conscious, I was going somewhere, and for the most part any sense of myself or my surroundings had dissipated. It was then that the fear kicked in, I was not ready to know the truth. This is what many people have coined “Ego Death” in psychedelic experiences. It is very humbling, and altogether terrifying if you’re not ready for it. I believe at this point, you have two choices, to accept that you are truly experiencing death and that there is no return, or to return, fearful, to your life. Suddenly I jumped forward from my reclined position, and startled my dog. He jumped up and ran along side of my bed to see if I was okay, and I was so thankful that I remembered he existed. I felt that I had completely forgotten reality and that there was no coming back. Is that not death? In Judaism, and earlier beliefs, it was thought that if you saw the face of god, you would die. They felt that although some could experience such a thing on drugs, but it would not be the “light of god”. Yet does it not sound like the same experience? Ether was advantageous, because with longer lasting psychedelic states, one can hit their peak, experience death, and fearfully return to life, yet still have 3 more hours of altered consciousness. For some that time is devastating. They believe they have permanently altered themselves and will never return to being that way, until suddenly the effect wears off, and they are able to once again put their fear in its place, usually by damning the chemical that had brought them the truth they subconsciously desired. A better chemical is DMT. It’s in our brain, it is the primary psychedelic component in Ayausca, which is mixed with one of many MonoAmineOxidase Inhibitors, in order to allow DMT to have an effect when consumed orally. But snuffs also existed, and with our knowledge today, we can produce a pure form which can be vaporized for instant effects, and minimal adverse effects. Furthermore it is naturally occurring and there is little to no reason to believe it has any long term physical effects. As far as psychological effects go, the reason one should be taking a psychedelic chemical in the first place, should be solely for the purpose of positively altering one’s psyche in the first place. Although I’ve yet to experiment with the chemical, it is so intriguing because of the fact that so many of my experiences have been related to it. Psilocybin breaks down to Psilocin in the brain, the chemical formula is 4-HydrOxy-DiMethylTryptamine, or 4-HO-DMT. There’s our friend DMT and can you guess what 4-HO-DMT becomes in the brain? If you examine the process of tripping, one could reason that the alterations of the chemical, in this case our 4-HO, are really instructions on where to deposit the magical DMT throughout our brain. This would make up the specific effects we experience with each chemical. The point at which the highest concentrations of DMT are present in the brain would constitute the psychedelic peak of these chemicals. Similar to Bipolar Depression in that the extreme highs and lows are during those high concentrations of Serotonin and Epinephrine, as well as panic attacks occurring when both chemicals are in high concentration. Of course as the chemicals dissipate back to normal levels, we experience a “come-down” effect. More importantly, I think that these chemical directors may get close to unlocking that final door, but the only way to get a chance to look through it is through use of DMT itself. Interestingly enough, users of DMT report similar hallucinations. Seeing “alien” entities which have no true form, which speak no language we could consciously understand, yet they still convey some form of outstanding knowledge. It is important to note that the vaporization method provides a 15-minute to half hour experience, whereas the oral method provides 8 or more hours of inebriation. The vaporizing method seems to be quick and to the point, whereas the oral method is more like an intensive journey. In summation, these chemicals all seem to allow us to completely forget existence, and then in a sudden and sometimes traumatic realization, remember it. It is not every time that we experience such spiritual things during that entire experience. If we could reproduce those effects consistently, Dr. Alexander Shulgin believes it would “signal the end of the human experiment.” What does that mean? Simply that man could have a spiritual experience which would answer all his questions and quell all his fears, and no longer would we fool around trying to solve the incredibly simple problem of living fearlessly. For the general public, this would be enough to awaken and pacify just about anyone, but for others it is not. On one side of the spectrum, are those like me who would be simply satisfied with knowing their purpose, why they here, and in my own experimentation I have progressed towards that. The other side of the spectrum are those who are obsessed with power and control. Although they may not be satisfied by this all-powerful knowledge, they still rely on the weak, the fearful, to provide them with satisfaction, and without fear, they cannot succeed. So think about it, don’t go running to drop some acid. Although it might help things, the answers are all here. There are merely some tools that exist to help us uncover them. -------------------- "How could it be on or off? it's a water fountain!"
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Cosmic Observer Registered: 11/21/07 Posts: 186 Loc: Kentucky Last seen: 11 years, 2 months |
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interesting read
![]() I agree with most points. But giving LSD, in small doses, to the general public under good circumstances/atmosphere would work miracles on our entire societal complex. The realization that you ARE dying at every moment of your life, but are brimming with mysterious energy nonetheless is the pinnacle and MOST important aspect of psychedelic journeys, I believe. When you are "tripping" or what have you, you're simply more aware of this simple fact. And if that is true, then there is no reason for all the barriers and fear. But like you said, there are those who want power and control. You cannot conquer LIFE, it simply is. We are on the verge of wiping it all out, if anything, at this point in our little bitch fit we call earth. Honestly people need to chill the fuck out and realize that everythings actually alright, if you want it to be. But that isn't what humans seem to want, they are more interested in hurting, fearing and destroying EVERYTHING. rant rant rant...grrr I can't seem to help myself.
-------------------- Tension is who you think you should be. Relaxation is who you are. - Chinese Proverb Beauty & Simplicity
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--=..Did Adam and ...?=-- Registered: 04/30/03 Posts: 3,910 Loc: isle de la muerte Last seen: 24 days, 11 hours |
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I think you are a huffer with delusions of grandeur. That can happen to smart people looking for something else, with nowhere to turn, is they can follow the wrong road. Now you are promoting something which does kill brain cells and which is a lower void of mental anti-stimulation. There's no moral victory to be gained here, or solved.
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--=..Did Adam and ...?=-- Registered: 04/30/03 Posts: 3,910 Loc: isle de la muerte Last seen: 24 days, 11 hours |
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That may have sounded harsh, but you should watch what you parade to others, especially to the impressionable. You do have a responsibility, even over the net, even under a moniker, to not promote huffing, as it does devolve into a bad trap for teens for whom this is often the one easy to obtain fix. I know because I used to do it myself when I was in junior high school.
Everyone I have ever talked to about huffing who has experienced hallucinations has experienced demons, no angels no bright lights. It's the quality of the medium, which is not good.
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version 2.0 ![]() Registered: 03/18/07 Posts: 1,337 Last seen: 13 years, 6 months |
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Subter, have you ever tried Salvia? It might be able to satisfy your need for a strong, quick disassociation, the feeling of death, as you describe it... and you can get it really cheaply at your local headshop.
-------------------- I'm in need of a sterile sporeprint, if anyone wants to do a trade for some seeds or something, or maybe just for free if you have a lot of them............. i'd really appreciate it NuggetPorch said - "YES! YES!!!! Coaster its Faint, but its fucking there YOU see it!!! Perhaps we are both on some sort of unusual wave length associated with unusual neuro-transmitters, mind expansion white light, or something we can not even begin to understand or fathom to conceive because it is a gift of insight or a curse given to us by powers beyond our control, something we are not meant to know."
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NeuroscientificW ![]() Registered: 06/13/05 Posts: 30 Loc: High Desert, NM Last seen: 14 years, 11 months |
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eve I do not take offense to your attitude about this. I stated there ARE medical reasons not to huff. There are also chemicals like NO2 which save oxygen deprivation have no dangerous effects. However that is not a reason to grab some ether and start huffing. I'm not sure exactly how dangerous ether is, I've never gotten a straight answer, however the MSDS for ether does say to avoid long term exposure. Being a solvent, I would assume that an prolonged inhalation to ether would some how degrade/kill brain matter as well as other cells.
The point is, ether is the example I gave... I do not condone huffing, I also do not condone making decisions for anyone, however the proper advice should be given. In this case, if you like your brain cells and mental functionality do not huff. A drug is only as dangerous as the user and their naivety. Personally I will never again huff, although I might experiment with nitrous here and there. As long as you're using NO2 as medically advised, meaning with ample oxygen present, NO2 is harmless. However it's a safe assumption that petroleum distillates and other chemicals like Amyl Nitrate, are NOT safe for inhalation. as for Siekoaktiv, I have tried Salvia... I don't like it. I do not like any chemical that strips you of bodily control and lets an inebriated sub conscious make decisions for you. My first and only experience with the stuff was taking one very large "rip" of 10x potency leaf. I suddenly felt as though my conscious being was being pulled away from my body, leaving me to wonder what my body would do given the chance to have my mind absent. I quickly hit my abort switch in my brain, after watching my friend pace around confused/delirious and speaking gibberish, I felt that if anything I did not trust him to insure my safety. Furthermore, I could feel the strength of the chemical, but felt it took away too much for it to even be worth the experience. Thanks for the input though to all of you. -------------------- "How could it be on or off? it's a water fountain!"
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Stranger Registered: 09/17/07 Posts: 705 Loc: Hringhorni |
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ice cubes are slowly melting down your back
-------------------- "Have you not learned that your word is bond? Yes, my word is bond and bond is life, I shall give my life, before my word shall fail."
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Stranger Registered: 10/11/01 Posts: 74 Loc: Letterkenny Irel Last seen: 10 years, 7 months |
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I understand but that doesn't make it right ,,believe me I know the hunger to Peirce the Vail to want to see the face of God to keep searching for the deeper meaning to understand the boundaries of what is human existence to try and find the answer,,,to be willing to sacrifice my own being for some small scrap of the whole. The path you are taking appearers to be a shortcut but it is a thief it holds out a promise it can not fulfill. I followed your path to the point where it could show me nothing new,, nothing profound. In the beginning it it was so amazing the insight was worth any price I prayed at its alter and was rewarded with shadow beings and intense feelings of deja vu of fleeting glimpses of something so much greater than the limits of normal existence. Ether let me soar beyond the physical world as it robbed me of the very ability that I so much desired. In the end it became useless a empty void where no visions spawned. Please stop find a different path don't stop looking God knows we need seekers just find a different path a different god one that doesn't demand you sacrifice your brain to its alter.
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--=..Did Adam and ...?=-- Registered: 04/30/03 Posts: 3,910 Loc: isle de la muerte Last seen: 24 days, 11 hours |
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I remember some dork said snorting loperamide got one high, because someone else said loperamide made their withdrawls easier to bear, so then someone else added that mixing crazy glue and loperamide was a better combo, but you have to shoot it. So now people are actually considering the concept of mixing cyanoacrylate and loperamide and shooting it. Some people are going to do it. There was a certain responsibility to humanity at large to consider ones audience and the effect their pranks would have. Now sharing is one thing but making something pathetic into something spiritual is just plain wrong. Lately I've been fairly judgemental about such stuff, ever since a buddy tried to kill his whole family on heroin and Zanax. So now I try more int the way of tough love for people. Sorry if it hurts or offends, but consider the alternatives.
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NeuroscientificW ![]() Registered: 06/13/05 Posts: 30 Loc: High Desert, NM Last seen: 14 years, 11 months |
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All I have to say is...
...People seem to be on the course to be slating more and more common sense and decision making to their society. They expect to be told what is right and wrong. What will get them high, what will kill them. What is legal, what is not. I guarantee you there are people out there asking mommy and daddy who to vote for in the election. How do you choose? I guarantee there is someone out there smoking poppy seeds, because their friends told them it would get them high. Someone drinking household cleaning agents, because their friends said it would get them drunk. The point is... With each passing day there are more and more people taking action based on the false words of others. You think by me not speaking freely about my past experiences suddenly people will stop doing dangerous things? Spreading rumors about dangerous substances that truly give no psychedelic rewards. It's not gonna change a thing. That's fact. The only thing that will change anything, however unfortunate it is, is when those people do stupid things because they have no spine or decision making process... nor the ability to do their own research... And they off themselves with their poor judgment. Do you think I picked up an ether can because someone told me? Because I saw it in Fear and Loathing? Because I thought I'd be cool gettin' high? I knew about ether through various sources, and I researched it to no end... Checked out the Material Safety Data Sheet, did all the research I could. I felt the risks were not great enough to push me away (although today I find it dirty and lowly), so I used the stuff a handful of times. You know how many times I've heard of people doing stupid things because someone else told them? I don't think that needs an answer. I do believe that it is only responsible and right to give warnings, to say although drinking Tide might give you some crazy experiences, they are caused by your brain being poisoned and deteriorated, and the damage will be permanent and irreversible. To like me say, although ether can provide you with certain great experiences, it is a powerful solvent and that's enough evidence to say it probably will eat your braincells alive. The biggest thing is that, I do believe drug abuse is bad... But there is not a drug on this earth that does not have the potential to be rewarding in some way when used properly and responsibly. Insanely few are the mind altering chemicals that can cause permanent damage upon one ingestion. "Know your mind, know your body, know your source." I live by that phrase. Anyone who can't understand such a simple concept is thereby at the whims of his peers and their lack of conscience. Mercy to him, but when he dies, know it is merely natural selection, operating as usual in the new rules of our society. -------------------- "How could it be on or off? it's a water fountain!"
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