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Offlinepsychejam
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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7810071 - 12/29/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm. The guy I gave shrooms to on christmas eve (early present) ate a little too much, started freaking out and called the ambulance. Poor guy had to have his head stroked for hours by his best friend until he came down.

Foolish. I told him they were potent cubes, but he was adamant that he have a "hectic christmas trip".

Oh, and I hope everything turns out ok dude. =]


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7810423 - 12/29/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i really want to know what happened to that guy, he's been an awesome guy as far as i've come to know him. i know he pulled through strong

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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7810435 - 12/29/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How you doing, buddy? You holding up? I wish I had someone to talk me down from my bad trips.


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Silversoul]
    #7810462 - 12/29/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see how people put themselves into this kind of situation. If you aren't mentally able to handle it, don't do it. Seems pretty fucking simple to me.


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Jadian]
    #7810465 - 12/29/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes we overestimate our abilities. 'Tis the nature of being human.


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Silversoul]
    #7810468 - 12/29/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How can you really know if you are able to handle it unless you try?


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Silversoul]
    #7810476 - 12/29/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think your mental capacity is a pretty stupid thing to over-estimate. I know it can happen, but honestly if you're that unaware of your mind and how it will react to something like that I don't see why you'd want to risk it.

Nothing is more enlightening than becoming more aware of your own consciousness, and taking drugs shouldn't be a way to "force" that upon yourself. Understand yourself and you will understand your limitations.


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Jadian]
    #7810481 - 12/29/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Jadian said:
Understand yourself and you will understand your limitations.



The irony, of course, is that many people take psychedelics in order to understand themselves.


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Jadian]
    #7810482 - 12/29/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

understanding yourself doesn't really have anything to do with how much mushrooms you're going to be able to handle...

imho :psychsplit:


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Clean]
    #7810487 - 12/29/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly, this guy was more than courageous for even taking the 8g.

Hope you're doing well, LayYouIn, you should be down and back with us pretty soon, it's been a good 8-9 hours now, and you will always have this experience to add into your life, if for nothing else than at least to show you how much of a blessing sanity can be :crazy2:


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Silversoul]
    #7810490 - 12/29/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Silversoul said:
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Jadian said:
Understand yourself and you will understand your limitations.



The irony, of course, is that many people take psychedelics in order to understand themselves.




So true. And I think that's ass-backwards. Once you understand yourself psychedelics can be a great tool for further exploration of consciousness.

But it's kind of like hopping into a drag racing car before learning to drive.


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: OneRainyWish]
    #7810492 - 12/29/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think there's a fine line between courageous and foolhardy. It took me a couple hellish trips to realize that I really can't handle high doses.


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: razmablues]
    #7810494 - 12/29/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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razmablues said:
understanding yourself doesn't really have anything to do with how much mushrooms you're going to be able to handle...

imho :psychsplit:




And while I completely disagree with this, I will defend to my death your right to say it!


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Jadian]
    #7810504 - 12/29/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ahah well put.

well from my view, i'm not thinking of knowing yourself as being how much drugs you can take. but rather your own personality, the way you react to things, and your general perception of things. but that can't really predict how much of a drug you can take.

but i guess you can put your limit on drugs on knowing yourself. and in that case i'm dead wrong.

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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Silversoul]
    #7810510 - 12/29/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Right, but he had taken 5g before.

5g is nothing to sneeze at.

After experiencing that, he probably figured he could handle the 8g, had the courage, and at the shrooms. In any case, he's a fellow shroomerite who's been having a really really bad trip(or at least he was earlier, I hope his trip got a lot better), but I think our goal here should be to try to help him out in his journey, and not to evaluate whether he should have gone on it or not. From the sound of things, he's already learned his lesson.

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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: razmablues]
    #7810532 - 12/29/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's my opinion that psychedelics don't add anything to you that wasn't there before. People have an amazing ability to repress, ignore, or block out things that should be addressed. Psychedelics have a way of "forcing" you to deal with these things.

So I just think if you're fully aware of your mental state and consciousness, there won't be any of these problems to come out during a trip. It's really hard to explain and it's all completely subjective from my point of view, but I have a really strong belief in this that's only been furthered by personal experience.

And OneRainyWish, I know what you mean, and there's no way I would have brought this up while he was in the midst of his unfortunate trip. I've helped so many people and brought down so many friends from bad trips it'd be hard to convince me that this guy was feeling anything different than others that I've seen. I provided a LOT of people mushrooms in a few year period a couple of years back, and I've seen a ton of different reactions to them. It's gotten to the point where I can tell 95% of the time if someone will react positively or negatively to mushrooms just from talking to them when they're sober.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have taken the mushrooms, because I can't tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do. He's a big boy and he got himself into the mess he was in though, was my main point.


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: Jadian]
    #7810588 - 12/29/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Jadian said:
It's my opinion that psychedelics don't add anything to you that wasn't there before. People have an amazing ability to repress, ignore, or block out things that should be addressed. Psychedelics have a way of "forcing" you to deal with these things.






This is a crucial point i think, and i agree with it, which is why i found it funny that the first reaction of outsiders to someone who says they are having a bad trip is to just reassure them that it will all be okay. No one ever says "look the demon in the face and realize that you are looking into a mirror" or something to that effect. Essentially, few will ever encourage someone to really consider the reasons for their "terrible" experiences, and instead will opt to offer fuzzy promises of the eventual "okay-ness" of "everything" once the drug wears off. Well when it does, you're problems don't go away, they are merely repressed again. This is what we think of as "OK".


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7810589 - 12/29/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

all is good now.  :smile:

i've actually done 6 grams before, twice, and i went there from 5 grams which i have done many times.  i've had a couple of trips where i felt depressed about how my life was going but never anything like last night.

i had trouble drying the shrooms out and some turned completely blue.  it took over a week to dry them out, so i figured that they would have lost some potency, but...THEY DIDNT.  :grin:

i ground them up, capsuled them, waited a couple of hours, then swallowed them down with some water.  i was listening to my new Tortoise CD on the come up while laying down.  i thought everything was going good.  then i started thinking about god and how everything started, i had some crazy thoughts and visions that i've never seen before.  it was going really good and i was enjoying myself.

then, out of absolutely nowhere, i thought that i was living this same life over and over again only to see the mistakes i've made religiously.  it felt like i had been there so many times before and it felt so real.  i felt trapped.  i said to my self "im having a bad trip, i need to lay down, relax, take deep breaths" but i couldn't.  i kept thinking that i was really in purgatory living this live over and over again.

then i started feeling dizzy and i started sweating like never before.  my head was spinning and i was basically freaking out.  i started seeing pentagrams and strange satanic symbols and hearing strange satanic chants or something.  i ended up in the hall, where i collapsed and twitched on the floor for what only seemed like a short time.

after that, i felt completely fine.  but i swear that i've twitched like that before when i was younger and not even on drugs.  it felt like it had happened before.

also, i had a cyst on my forehead that i had to get removed, and now i have a scar there.  i started thinking that it was somehow related to the number of the beast and that's basically why i started thinking i was in purgatory.

definitely going to trip again, but i think ill go back to 5 and then just up it one gram at a time.  :wink:

thanks for the help everyone.  im going to go for a walk.  :mushroom2:


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7810601 - 12/29/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well i'm glad you're not in the hospital...

haven't taken a serious dose of mushrooms since i took 7g about three years ago.

for me the hardest thing to cope with at that dose was the rapidity of fear based thoughts. they just kept piling on and acting on any one of them only made things worse. if there is a next time i will try just experiencing them for what they are.


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Re: BAD TRIP - NEEP HELP NOW [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7810627 - 12/29/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

haha

Satan gave you a cyst!


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