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    #7808390 - 12/28/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Anybody here think that the beings encountered during DMT trips are aliens?


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Re: DMT entities [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7808394 - 12/28/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

orrrrr maybe... hallucinations? hmm:confused:


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Re: DMT entities [Re: Leinahtan]
    #7808428 - 12/28/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

aliens communicating via hallucination


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Re: DMT entities [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7808432 - 12/28/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm willing to keep an open mind toward any possibility, but I tend to lean towards the idea that there are parts of my mind I am not normally in contact with that have their own distinct aspects of personality, and that I may be communicating with myself through the DMT experience.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7808448 - 12/28/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yes indeed that was one of my thoughts on the subject.

The entities you meet are simply your own thoughts without the ego mask.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7808449 - 12/28/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hallucinations communicating via aliens?

In all seriousness, I too have met entities, yet not on DMT... I have had a few very powerful Salvia trips, two in which I made contact with elves of some sort, and one in which I talked to a few of the trees in the forest. I tend to think that these are spirits, and I'm able to communicate with them through the new parts of my brain that psychedelics open up. Technically, these spirits ARE aliens... aliens to my normal waking life.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7808453 - 12/28/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I believe we have more than one being inside of us, and it is part of ourselves seeing other parts of ourselves. Then again, it might just be that I'm really high, seeing shit.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7809002 - 12/28/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm willing to keep an open mind toward any possibility, but I tend to lean towards the idea that there are parts of my mind I am not normally in contact with that have their own distinct aspects of personality, and that I may be communicating with myself through the DMT experience.




Yup.

You'd be amazed what lurks in that labyrinth of the subconscious.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: g00ru]
    #7809104 - 12/28/07 11:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

someone on shroomery has a quote in their signature that goes somthing like

Maybe there are aliens that meet you when you smoke DMT.

or was it

Maybe aliens meet you when they smoke DMT
? interesting...
Either way, maybe they are conscious entities. Its not like we can prove them either way. People tend to learn alot from them, weather they manifest from you consciousness or not.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: origami.octopus]
    #7809177 - 12/28/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The self transforming machine elves, I doubt they are actually aliens, I remember reading something somewhere about them that said that their constant dance is what creates reality, In my opinion that is what god really is, a sort of energy or force that permeates everything and makes existence possible, also I think our thought/consciousness is made of that stuff too and eventually will merge with it adding on to the collective memory. At least that's what my DMT trip led me to believe.
A lot of times on DMT trips you see universal geometric patterns as well as archetypes that we all have without having to learn them, perhaps that is where they all come from, during the DMT releases at 7 weeks and at birth.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7809423 - 12/29/07 12:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I heard they are part of the immersive universal interactive encyclopedia that is encoded into our dna, dmt is your library card.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: JonnyDeformed]
    #7809473 - 12/29/07 01:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

is it possible people tend to encounter the self transforming machine elf because mckenna put the idea in their subconscious that they would.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: doitagain]
    #7810122 - 12/29/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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is it possible people tend to encounter the self transforming machine elf because mckenna put the idea in their subconscious that they would.




no thats impossible

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Re: DMT entities [Re: doitagain]
    #7810168 - 12/29/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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is it possible people tend to encounter the self transforming machine elf because mckenna put the idea in their subconscious that they would.




No, I think the DMT experience does involve an element of "contact" no matter what. However, I think people LOOK for the "self-transforming machine elves" without understanding that McKenna's DMT experience is his and his alone.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7810171 - 12/29/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The self transforming machine elves, I doubt they are actually aliens, I remember reading something somewhere about them that said that their constant dance is what creates reality, In my opinion that is what god really is, a sort of energy or force that permeates everything and makes existence possible, also I think our thought/consciousness is made of that stuff too and eventually will merge with it adding on to the collective memory. At least that's what my DMT trip led me to believe.
A lot of times on DMT trips you see universal geometric patterns as well as archetypes that we all have without having to learn them, perhaps that is where they all come from, during the DMT releases at 7 weeks and at birth.




I haven't done DMT but I agree with this. I think these chemicals, like DMT, Mescaline,THC, and the plants that contain them are "gods." They channel huge amounts of all this energy.

I would add Salvia to this list but Salvia is very complicated. It feels right, yet it also feels so unique and different. Are there seperate energy sources and realities? Lady Salvia doesn't seem like a servant to anyone else, if you know what I mean.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7810274 - 12/29/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I just wrote a 17 page research paper on this, and long story short, no I do not.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: Nemo_Hoes]
    #7810714 - 12/29/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The Motherfuckin G said:
I just wrote a 17 page research paper on this, and long story short, no I do not.




I'd be interested in reading this, but only post it if you want to.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: wendel]
    #7810968 - 12/29/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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is it possible people tend to encounter the self transforming machine elf because mckenna put the idea in their subconscious that they would.




The self transforming machine elves is just a word used as a poor attempt to describe them. I've experienced this before I even heard about Terrence McKenna so what you say would have been impossible, which is why I disagree. A DMT trip is not guided by ideas or anything like that, I read somewhere that someone said it can only be influenced by "the intentions of the soul".



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I haven't done DMT but I agree with this. I think these chemicals, like DMT, Mescaline,THC, and the plants that contain them are "gods." They channel huge amounts of all this energy.

I would add Salvia to this list but Salvia is very complicated. It feels right, yet it also feels so unique and different. Are there seperate energy sources and realities? Lady Salvia doesn't seem like a servant to anyone else, if you know what I mean.




That's not what I was talking about, but if you haven't tried DMT its pointless for me to describe, however, I do know what you're talking about on the Salvia part, I've tried it and in retrospect I do not like it, the experience is cool and unique but it feels wrong and weird, like looney tune type crap and you feel like someone is sitting there laughing at you going "haha you just smoked some bad hallucinogen man"


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Re: DMT entities [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7811732 - 12/29/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

sometimes i feel like the entheogens make you think and feel like some deity, and the reason it sometimes feels like a mindfuck is that our brains don't have the power to fully understand what is happening to us on them.

and in that vein i always thought salvia was one of those gods that kinda has a sense of disdain for humans, and gets off on freaking them out. but if you can get over the fear it often causes it's pretty cool.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: doitagain]
    #7813368 - 12/30/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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and in that vein i always thought salvia was one of those gods that kinda has a sense of disdain for humans, and gets off on freaking them out. but if you can get over the fear it often causes it's pretty cool.




Sorry, but to me such a belief is silly, thinking that some plant is a god and that it actually thinks something towards humans (I don't think the real god is sentient or that it has thought), I do feel like it has a mischievous nature to it, but that's the nature of the drug/experience and what your mind makes of it and nothing more.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7813725 - 12/30/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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and in that vein i always thought salvia was one of those gods that kinda has a sense of disdain for humans, and gets off on freaking them out. but if you can get over the fear it often causes it's pretty cool.




Sorry, but to me such a belief is silly, thinking that some plant is a god and that it actually thinks something towards humans (I don't think the real god is sentient or that it has thought), I do feel like it has a mischievous nature to it, but that's the nature of the drug/experience and what your mind makes of it and nothing more.




sorry but to me such a belief is silly and just that a belief of something you will never prove i feel i have come into contact with spirit teachers on many occasions doesnt make it so but dont call someone elses belief silly because so is yours and mine.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7814388 - 12/30/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't "call" his belief silly, I said it was silly "to me", there's a difference
I know that everyone has different reasons for believing what they do and for that reason I respect everyone's right to believe whatever they want to, I was just expressing my own opinion


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Re: DMT entities [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7826082 - 01/03/08 12:36 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

i dunno if i mentioned it but i am one lol. and i actually met a physical enbodyment of lady huasca which was strange so im pretty sure most entities are people that exist on this plane i wouldnt be suprised.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7826103 - 01/03/08 12:42 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

I feel and hear a lot of demons when I trip. Kills the trip some times. I believe that demons can take shape of many different things or persons. Maybe the aliens are demons too. Just a thought.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: marz13]
    #7826112 - 01/03/08 12:46 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

some times people think in a deity and then if they have inner demons are afraid that i am going to kill them or that im an alien or aided by them its great! tho some need to realise what those aliens are and others that i just want to kill their demons and that its not them.


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Re: DMT entities [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
    #7826124 - 01/03/08 12:50 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Say whaat? :confused:


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Re: DMT entities [Re: marz13]
    #7826258 - 01/03/08 01:45 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

well during some healing ceremonies people are certain that i am some eastern deity of death and come to kill them because they are a demon.(partly due to their inner views of themselves.)

Second due to my usage of metaphysical energy people think that im some sort of alien tho i guess i could say that i have been to other places with people and intelligent beings communicate to being of energy that arnt on this planet for sure. but due to media and what not some people think they are space aliens like grey people when that isnt really the case. tho some are space aliens its hard to explian


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Re: DMT entities [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
    #7901852 - 01/19/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

these entities exist outside of time & space & words so it is very difficult to talk about them.


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