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johnm214



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Juror: Judge and jury pressured me to convict man in shooting
#7807688 - 12/28/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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For those who give a shit about the criminal proseutions going on in America, register to vote and show up for jury duty, and stand your ground. Don't pussy out so you can go home earlier, and let another man do time for your convieniance. :angry:
=== http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/24/driveway.shooting.ap/index.html RIVERHEAD, New York (AP) -- A juror who helped convict a black man of fatally shooting a white teenager said he felt pressured by other jurors and the judge to change his vote to guilty during a marathon deliberating session. art.driveway.jpg
The Cicciaro family after John White was found guilty in the death of Daniel Cicciaro.
The jury convicted John White of second-degree manslaughter Saturday in the August 2006 shooting of 17-year-old Daniel Cicciaro Jr.
White, 54, remains free on bail and plans to appeal. He faces a prison term of five to 15 years.
The case drew national attention after defense attorneys argued that he feared a "lynch mob" had come to attack his family when a group of angry white teenagers gathered outside his home. The teens wanted to confront White's son.
Juror Francois Larche, who is white, said he and another juror changed their votes after enduring "a lot of psychological tactics" from fellow jurors during an unusual weekend session ordered by the judge over jurors' protests.
"It was a huge burden to bear," Larche, 46, told the New York Post in Monday's editions. He added, "I took a lot of heat."
Jury forewoman Maureen Steigerwald denied that the judge, a 12-hour deliberating session on Saturday -- the fourth day of deliberations -- or the holidays played a role in the jury's decision.
"The jury did a very careful, conscientious deliberate job," she told Newsday in Monday's editions.
Judge Barbara Kahn said the jury would have to return on Sunday if they didn't reach a decision. Larche told the Post the judge told them a mistrial would burden the families and the next jury.
"I thought about my family and the families of the other jurors," Larche said. "It was not worth it in the end."
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Re: Juror: Judge and jury pressured me to convict man in shooting [Re: johnm214]
#7807994 - 12/28/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So John White shot an unarmed white teenager who was known by his son in the face at point-blank range during a verbal argument???
If this had happned in Texas he proabably wouldn’t be charged.
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Re: Juror: Judge and jury pressured me to convict man in shooting [Re: johnm214]
#7808103 - 12/28/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i can see jurors using harsh tactics to convince one or two jurors to vote the majorities way. Ever see "12 Angry Men"?
But the judge saying what she said to the jury is out of line.
There is a standard jury instruction, given to the jury by Judges themselves, after the end of closing arguments that state that the jury should ignore the judge's demeanor:
If during this trial you have gained any impression that I have a feeling one way or another in this case, you should completely disregard any such impression because you jurors are the sole judges of the evidence and the credibility of the witnesses in this case. My feelings are wholly immaterial.
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Re: Juror: Judge and jury pressured me to convict man in shooting [Re: MrBump]
#7812375 - 12/30/07 12:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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he only got a max of 15 years he should go in 4 life thats bs
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Re: Juror: Judge and jury pressured me to convict man in shooting [Re: Coaster]
#7812396 - 12/30/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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what makes you say that?
Are you familiar witht the case- I'm not. I just think it's ridiculous that someone would let themselves be intimidated by a judge or other jury members, though I'm sure it can be very hard to stand up for what you believe in.
I don't really know what the right decision would likely have been. I just wonder if this person isn't a) courageous for exposing how they were manipulated into securing a guilty vote (even if they should have held out); or b) whiners who want some publicity.
I don't see much in the way of how they were pressured. If they really only relented because of a possible weekend session of court, they should be beaten w/ sticks by the family of the defendant. If they really decided to fuck over the defendnat cuz of their convieniance, and decided they could undo the damage by reporting things to the media, they suck.
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