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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7819912 - 01/01/08 12:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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When the governments granting them the authority to do so are in power to at least some degree (direct military regime change in Afghanistan, & through billions of military "aid" in Colombia) because of the U.S., then the word 'force' becomes relevant.




And again we see the standard Leftie disregard for such common things as word definitions. To communicate with a Leftie, one requires the secret Leftie-speak decoder ring.

No, the word "forcibly" does not apply in the case of the drug eradication programs. The US didn't "forcibly impose" these programs on Columbia, they presented their case to the Columbian government and the Columbian government agreed it was a good idea.

You will note I don't say I agree with the programs -- as it happens, I don't agree with them. I think the programs are stupid and futile. But that doesn't change the fact that the US government doesn't "forcibly impose" these programs "all over the world".

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If the Chinese government in the near future prohibited tobacco, would they be justified in eradicating tobacco fields in the American South?




You just don't get it, do you? You seem unable to grasp the meaning of what you have written, even after it has been repeatedly pointed out to you.

If the Chinese government were to persuade the US government that it would be a good idea to destroy all US tobacco plants, and the US government agreed to let the Chinese pay the costs of said destruction, even to the point of using Chinese pilots to fly Chinese crop dusters spraying Chinese herbicides onto the fields, the Chinese could not be said to have "forcibly imposed" their tobacco destruction program on the US.

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Are you denying that 'Plan Colombia', which was started during the Clinton years, is still in effect today?




Not actively denying it, no. I have some the impression that this program was stopped years ago, but I freely admit I might be wrong about that. Since you are so knowledgeable about it, you should have no difficulty providing a credible link to the number of tons of herbicides sprayed on Columbia coca bushes in, say, 2006 or 2005, right?

And since you claim the US does this in countries "all over the world", then even if you can't find the numbers for Columbia, you should certainly be able to come up with recent numbers for several others. Or is it your contention that "all over the world" = Columbia?



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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: zorbman]
    #7819948 - 01/01/08 12:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Tell that to Manuel Noriega.




This is taking the thread even more off topic, but Panama wasn't invaded because Noriega declined to partake in the eradication of coca bushes or poppy plants. It may have slipped your mind that the Panamanian legislature declared war on the US on December 15, 1989, for example.



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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Phred]
    #7820042 - 01/01/08 01:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Panama wasn't invaded because Noriega declined to partake in the eradication of coca bushes or poppy plants. It may have slipped your mind that the Panamanian legislature declared war on the US on December 15, 1989, for example.




The declaration of war by Panama was simply a recognition of a de facto state of war which already existed between the two countries. The U.S. had already been conducting covert operations inside Panama and imposed economic sanctions.

Noriega's allowing trafficing in locally-grown coca was indeed one of the reasons Papa Bush cited for the invasion. The newly-created War on Drugs was all the rage back then if you recall.

Under Plan Columbia, the U.S. had funded coca eradication but Noriega did not cooperate. We subsequently invaded Panama and removed him from power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Colombia


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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: zorbman]
    #7820205 - 01/01/08 02:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is off topic. You are wrong on almost everything you mentioned, though. I'm off to dinner but when I return I'll start a new thread so we can thrash it out without derailing this one.



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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Phred]
    #7821205 - 01/01/08 07:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Phred]
    #7844764 - 01/07/08 05:46 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7844842 - 01/07/08 06:06 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

I'm glad Bush is getting his revenge against all the druggy America haters.


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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7844853 - 01/07/08 06:10 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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