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Hey Ron Paul supporters. . .
    #7807490 - 12/28/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What do you think of this article?

http://www.counterpunch.org/wolf12122007.html


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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: implicitli]
    #7807517 - 12/28/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't classify myself as a Ron Paul supporter, but I'll tell you what I think of it anyway...

Another witless screed against individual rights penned by yet another witless Leftie.




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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Phred]
    #7807546 - 12/28/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The article was a load of crap. Ron Paul is a racist because he objects to people having rights strictly because they are minorities, not individuals?

Leftists like this jilly live a paradox.


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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Minstrel]
    #7808287 - 12/28/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He made a joke about black kids being flat-footed and they cited it as racisim. Wow... Just wow.


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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Phred]
    #7808426 - 12/28/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: xFrockx]
    #7808525 - 12/28/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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xFrockx said:
He made a joke about black kids being flat-footed and they cited it as racisim. Wow... Just wow.




"fleet-footed" meaning fast runners.


Idk if that's racist BUT IT'S CLEARLY OBVIOUS if you watch any sports... except hockey.. but they did have a black MVP just recently.


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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7809220 - 12/28/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

fleet-footed? Oh, still hilarious though.


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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7809840 - 12/29/07 06:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

EntheogenicPeace writes:

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If your location that you listed is to be believed, then I take it you are not an American citizen?




I'm a Canadian citizen, but an expatriate. I've been living in the Dominican Republic for just shy of twenty years now.

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...the United States government; being as it is arguably the biggest violator of individual rights of people (regardless of nationality) in the world.




See, this is why rational people just can't take Lefties seriously -- because they are incapable of serious commentary. There is no way anyone can objectively conclude that the US government is anywhere close to being the "biggest violator of individual rights of people in the world". The facts simply don't support such a wild-ass accusation.

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Not only does it forcibly impose the authority to throw U.S. citizens in jail for growing or possessing plants it doesn't like...




Sigh. Yes, yes, we all agree recreational drugs should not be illegal. But good Lord, this gets boring. Look, there are just under two hundred countries in the world at present. Why don't you name for us twenty countries whose laws don't specify imprisonment (or worse) for possession of or cultivation of say, cocaine. Or heroin. Or even, for that matter, marijuana. Let's not even talk about manufactured drugs such as methedrine or LSD -- although to be consistent in your support of individual rights they too would have to be legalized. Twenty countries is just ten per cent of the total number out there, right? If ninety per cent are imprisoning folks for the same thing the US is, that hardly makes the US the worst. Hell, it doesn't even make the US unusual. In fact, it makes the US part of the consensus, and as the Global Warmening folks (and, of course, Lefties) love to crow, consensus is everything.

In case you haven't grasped my point yet, you can't give the US special shit for doing what everybody else is doing. You certainly can't use the prohibition of drugs to claim the US is the biggest violator of individual rights.

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...it forcibly imposes the destruction of crops, even non-narcotic plants, all over the world.




Bullshit. Words have meaning. That's why there are so many of them. That statement is complete bullshit, and either you know it is complete bullshit -- which makes you a dishonest debater, or you actually believe it -- which makes you too uninformed to be worthy of discussing the issue. Which would you prefer the readers to believe?

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Starting aggressive wars...




Again, remembering that words have meanings, name one.

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...dropping countless millions of tons of explosives all over the world...




Again, remembering that words have meaning, give us an example.

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...overthrowing democratically-elected foreign governments...




Again, remembering that words have meaning, give us the three most recent examples of the US overthrowing a democratically elected foreign government.

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... & sending countless tens of billions of dollars of military & surveillance equipment to repressive but economically-friendly foreign governments...




Disregarding for the moment the fact (and yes, it is a fact) that close to a dozen other countries do exactly the same thing, how does this show the US is the biggest violator of the individual rights of people in the world?

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I just can't stand the hypocrisy of modern day Republican fascists (Ron Paul excluded) claiming they support 'individual rights' universally when they really only support 'individual rights' for a small minority, namely themselves & their friends at the expense of the 'individual rights' of a majority around the world.




And I'm sure you will eventually get around to giving us an actual example of a Republican presidential candidate supporting a US policy which deprives people around the world of their rights. Take your time... I know it will be a tough search.

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To point in fairness to counterpunch.org, on that same day they also ran a piece by a progressive endorsing Ron Paul, so it does not have an anti-Ron Paul bias as many here might incorrectly conclude.




The problem with counterpunch and other moonbat Leftie sites isn't an anti-Ron Paul bias, it's their anti-reality bias.



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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Phred]
    #7810321 - 12/29/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Phred]
    #7810339 - 12/29/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7810454 - 12/29/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

it said paul wanted all kids to have homeschooling
which is BS he wants homeschooling to be a practical alternative
and everybody knows that parents make the best teachers
all my smartest friends were homeschooled
they dont even know his stance
they totaly warped it
and fuck birthright citizenship
lets encourage them to break the law, grand plan


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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Phred]
    #7810457 - 12/29/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Coaster]
    #7810467 - 12/29/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7810498 - 12/29/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well ya i am very selective with the laws i h8
and parents would make their children into better people than most teachers, not many parents would become teachers to their children.
Paul wants to make it easier for parents to become the teacher, because the type of people who do want to teach their children generally are higher educated.
and giving incentives to illegal mexicans is retarded
completely undermines our system to give illegal mexicans drivers licenses
also paul will end the war on drugs which costs billions of dollars
and interrupts millions of lives


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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Coaster]
    #7810742 - 12/29/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7810838 - 12/29/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7810864 - 12/29/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7813703 - 12/30/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

EntheogenicPeace writes:

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If it's complete bullshit, you should be able to counter it without repeatedly saying it's bullshit, which is all you do.




What part of "remembering words have meaning" are you having difficulty grasping? Here is your hysterically overinflated and completely unsupported claim again --

"...it forcibly imposes the destruction of crops, even non-narcotic plants, all over the world."

Since pretty much every word of that phrase is either a lie or so dishonest an exaggeration that it might as well be a lie, it will take some time to go through it. I will however note that I don't need to go through it at all, since it is up to you to prove your assertion, not up to me to disprove it. This is called the "burden of proof" clause in debates -- when one side brings up a patently absurd falsehood and is called on it, it is not up to the challenger to disprove the allegation, but upon he who made it to support it. But since you'll undoubtedly whine if I leave it at that, let's dissect this bullshit word by word --

"forcibly" -- The US does not use force to gain the co-operation of governments in eradicating plots of coca or poppies. If the government in question declines to co-operate, the US doesn't invade them or assassinate their leaders.

"impose" -- same as above. The US doesn't "impose" these programs on the governments which co-operate. The word "impose" implies complete and unstoppable control, as in "impose taxes". The truth is that if a country declines to participate, there is nothing the US government can do but flap its gums.

"crops" -- The word crops normally refers to edible produce. A coca bush is hardly the same as a stalk of corn.

"non-narcotic" -- This is just rhetorical sophistry. While it is technically true that only poppies can be said scientifically to produce narcotic agents, coca bushes and marijuana plants do produce prohibited drugs.

"all over the world" -- Bullshit. Coca and poppy eradication projects backed by the US were never held in more than three or four countries, if that. For all I know, there are no longer any active programs backed by the US at all. Care to provide credible links showing how many countries still spray their coca fields?

So to rewrite your bullshit into an honest and factual statement, we might end up with something along these lines --

"The US government has in the past (and maybe still does so - we need to check this) ordered its diplomats to encourage and persuade officials of some foreign countries known to produce coca and poppies to seek out and eradicate such plants, or -- if these countries balk at expending the money and effort -- to allow US agents to enter their countries and eradicate said plants."

If you'd posted something like that, I wouldn't have called it bullshit, because it isn't bullshit, it is what actually took place. I would however have pointed out that persuading leaders of other countries that burning poppy fields (for example) can bring benefits is a far cry from being "the biggest violator of individual rights of people (regardless of nationality) in the world."





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    #7819545 - 01/01/08 10:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Hey Ron Paul supporters. . . [Re: Phred]
    #7819685 - 01/01/08 11:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The US does not use force to gain the co-operation of governments in eradicating plots of coca or poppies. If the government in question declines to co-operate, the US doesn't invade them or assassinate their leaders.




Tell that to Manuel Noriega.


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