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future
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As a first time should I
#7807412 - 12/28/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Go with the pf-tek that is so often used.
Or, is it possible with no experience whatsoever with growing mushrooms to use the wild bird seed tek.
What would you reccomend
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: future]
#7807422 - 12/28/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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future said: Go with the pf-tek that is so often used.
Or, is it possible with no experience whatsoever with growing mushrooms to use the wild bird seed tek.
What would you reccomend
It's certainly possible to go with grains first, i find it easier then pftek, BUT, watching cakes form/grow/fruit truly teach you the process.
Either way, you need a pressure cooker, especially for grains. If you know how to simmer, use a pressure cooker, then you should have no issues going with grains first, and even spawning directly to bulk substrates and just bypass pftek first.
pftek has its uses, learning is one of them.
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: jeetered]
#7807429 - 12/28/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah but money is an issue, I don't have plentiful amounts of it pouring in as a college student.
I need as high yield as I can possibly get. If that requires I do some extra reading and research in order to go with a more advanced tek, then i'm down.
Not to mention, I went with the pf-tek and got every single one of my jars contaminated. This of course my fault being that I was in a rush at the moment and didn't take the proper sterilization techniques, but point being is that I already understand a lot of the basics.
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Edited by future (12/28/07 01:28 PM)
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: future]
#7807433 - 12/28/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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c) Rye
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: future]
#7807463 - 12/28/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you start with no materials whatsoever, the cheapest is Pf tek as you don't need to buy a PC.
All you need is a big pan, jars, verm, brown rice flour (or b rice + coffee grinder) and some perlite (the next step up is to buy a rubbermaid to use as a fruiting chamber instead of coke bottles or whatever you have lying around) Oh and spores too.
On the other hand, if you already own a PC, grains can be as cheap per batch, as WBS is very cheap. But you also have to factor in the extra cost of casing and maybe bulk substrate.
Trying to go for biggest yield possible (apart from sounding suspiciously like intent to deal which is a no no here, but I'll try not to jump to conclusions) is the fastest road to failure for a person with little experience.
If you didn't manage to grow using pf tek, and even more if it was due, as you have admitted, to you not doing things properly thinking you could cut corners because you were in a hurry, I suggest you try and at least do a pf tek grow right, as you will be familiar with the procedures.
If you manage to get your cakes to 100% colonization you can always spawn them to coir or hpoo afterwards, to increase your yields, if you decide not to fruit them as they are.
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: Nibin]
#7808120 - 12/28/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you have already failed at PFTek, then I would suggest that you see that horse to the end of the race. You can use your cakes to spawn to bulk, should you decide to go that route. However, if I were you, I would go with nearer to 24-36 1/2 pint range if you are thinking about higher yields. If you decide to work with grains later, those 1/2 pint jars will be very handy in tons of other uses.
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: thedefone]
#7808141 - 12/28/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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a block of coir is 5 bux, best bulk sub for the money. u can do this for under 30 dollars, (considering you have a pressure cooker which is a MUST)
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: jeetered]
#7808173 - 12/28/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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jeetered said: a block of coir is 5 bux, best bulk sub for the money. u can do this for under 30 dollars, (considering you have a pressure cooker which is a MUST)
It's not a must for pf cakes spawned to pasteurized coir.
I will concede it is a huge help and advantage but in no way is it necessary.
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: Nibin]
#7808816 - 12/28/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have succesfully growin using boiling, i bought a pressure cooker because i thought boiling wasnt doing it, well after getting a pressure cooker i still got green mould.
My inoculations wernt up to scratch cause i didint use a glove box.
Pressure cooker is recomended, if you got one great. If not, boiling should be fine for the pf tek.
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: veda_sticks]
#7808850 - 12/28/07 10:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Go buy a pressure cooker. There is no reason not to have one, if you can afford it. I got mine for $40. They will in no way reduce your chances of success, and if you do want to advance to grains later on, then you're one step ahead.
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: thedefone]
#7808861 - 12/28/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you can afford to buy one go ahead, if not then the pf tek is for you.
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: thedefone]
#7808867 - 12/28/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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pf tek is best if, like me also a college student, you lack the funds for one. I also have never gotten a contam from using just steam sterilization.
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: THEBats]
#7809852 - 12/29/07 07:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe it is best to start with the pf-tek just so you can get a firm grip on the growing process, I did and have had great results with brf cakes, wbs, and rye. By starting small you have an opportunity to hone your techniques. A friend tried to jump into the deep end with a bulk grow and can't colonize a jar to save his life. But if you want bulk you need the pc and they aren't as expensive as you think. I picked up a 22qt from a pawn shop for $15 (holds 7 1qt jars nicely). Just stay out of the bar one Saturday and you should have enough cash to pick one up. Thrift stores are a good place to look for supplies also.
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: future]
#7809897 - 12/29/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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future said: Go with the pf-tek that is so often used.
Or, is it possible with no experience whatsoever with growing mushrooms to use the wild bird seed tek.
What would you reccomend
I would go with the PF Tek if you do not have a PC.
If you can get a PC, I would definately go with grains-I think it is easier, with less work, than the PF tek.
My two pennies
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P.S. Succeed using the PF Tek-then go buy a PC and follow the Tek in my sig!
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: doc34]
#7809989 - 12/29/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes pressure cookers come in handy, some say there not needed but for me i wouldn't be able to grow without one. I've tried boiling many times with no luck. like thedefone said, it couldn't hurt to pick one up
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: Nibin]
#7812852 - 12/30/07 09:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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jeetered said: a block of coir is 5 bux, best bulk sub for the money. u can do this for under 30 dollars, (considering you have a pressure cooker which is a MUST)
It's not a must for pf cakes spawned to pasteurized coir.
I will concede it is a huge help and advantage but in no way is it necessary.
who the fuck said it was necessary? don't put words in my mouth.
fractional sterilization techniques work with pftek, but for grains, you cannot go any other way then a pressure cooker. with grains a PC is a must.
Edited by jeetered (12/30/07 09:06 AM)
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: doc34]
#7812961 - 12/30/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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doc34 said:
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future said: Go with the pf-tek that is so often used.
Or, is it possible with no experience whatsoever with growing mushrooms to use the wild bird seed tek.
What would you reccomend
I would go with the PF Tek if you do not have a PC.
If you can get a PC, I would definately go with grains-I think it is easier, with less work, than the PF tek.
My two pennies
Doc
P.S. Succeed using the PF Tek-then go buy a PC and follow the Tek in my sig!
Wow! You are that Doc? Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! You're tek is awesome!
To OP, personally I would by-pass PF tek. But as you can tell everyone has their own opinions.
There's a few more steps involved doing grains or bird seed but I have seen where those extra steps were worth doing.
I would def invest in a pc. Good luck!
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: jeetered]
#7814021 - 12/30/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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jeetered said:
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Nibin said:
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jeetered said: a block of coir is 5 bux, best bulk sub for the money. u can do this for under 30 dollars, (considering you have a pressure cooker which is a MUST)
It's not a must for pf cakes spawned to pasteurized coir.
I will concede it is a huge help and advantage but in no way is it necessary.
who the fuck said it was necessary? don't put words in my mouth.
fractional sterilization techniques work with pftek, but for grains, you cannot go any other way then a pressure cooker. with grains a PC is a must.
The OP was asking about both pf cakes and grains, so all I was doing was adding a little extra info to your comment, not claiming that you were saying anything else.
And boiling jars once isn't really fractional sterilization as you aren't doing the required extra boilings.
You're cranky as always jeet, still off the diverse substances?
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: mushbaby]
#7841627 - 01/06/08 09:59 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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mushbaby said:
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Wow! You are that Doc? Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! You're tek is awesome!
Yes I am and you are welcome:D Glad I could help
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Re: As a first time should I [Re: Nibin]
#7879779 - 01/14/08 06:44 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Nibin said:
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jeetered said:
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Nibin said:
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jeetered said: a block of coir is 5 bux, best bulk sub for the money. u can do this for under 30 dollars, (considering you have a pressure cooker which is a MUST)
It's not a must for pf cakes spawned to pasteurized coir.
I will concede it is a huge help and advantage but in no way is it necessary.
who the fuck said it was necessary? don't put words in my mouth.
fractional sterilization techniques work with pftek, but for grains, you cannot go any other way then a pressure cooker. with grains a PC is a must.
The OP was asking about both pf cakes and grains, so all I was doing was adding a little extra info to your comment, not claiming that you were saying anything else.
And boiling jars once isn't really fractional sterilization as you aren't doing the required extra boilings.
You're cranky as always jeet, still off the diverse substances?
yeah still clean and sober, sorry for that...
and yeah, fractional sterilization requires at LEAST 3 boilings, hence fractional, as in, steps..
again, i never said one boiling would do it,
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