Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds - Original Sensible Seeds
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Bags   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlinefuture
Stranger
Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 408
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
As a first time should I
    #7807412 - 12/28/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Go with the pf-tek that is so often used.

Or, is it possible with no experience whatsoever with growing mushrooms to use the wild bird seed tek.

What would you reccomend


--------------------
I am the fakest person on this site. I only pretend to grow and consume illegal mushrooms. I have no knowledge what so ever on any scheduled substance because I know and respect the governing law in the United States of America. All pictures and dialogue posted by me is entirley copyrighted from those who wish to knowingly ignore the laws. I only post these messages as a mere propaganda technique used to gain attention and admiration from others. Thank You


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejeetered
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/07/06
Posts: 3,055
Loc: no clue
Re: As a first time should I [Re: future]
    #7807422 - 12/28/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

future said:
Go with the pf-tek that is so often used.

Or, is it possible with no experience whatsoever with growing mushrooms to use the wild bird seed tek.

What would you reccomend




It's certainly possible to go with grains first, i find it easier then pftek, BUT, watching cakes form/grow/fruit truly teach you the process.

Either way, you need a pressure cooker, especially for grains.
If you know how to simmer, use a pressure cooker, then you should have no issues going with grains first, and even spawning directly to bulk substrates and just bypass pftek first.

pftek has its uses, learning is one of them.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefuture
Stranger
Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 408
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
Re: As a first time should I [Re: jeetered]
    #7807429 - 12/28/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah but money is an issue, I don't have plentiful amounts of it pouring in as a college student.

I need as high yield as I can possibly get. If that requires I do some extra reading and research in order to go with a more advanced tek, then i'm down.

Not to mention, I went with the pf-tek and got every single one of my jars contaminated. This of course my fault being that I was in a rush at the moment and didn't take the proper sterilization techniques, but point being is that I already understand a lot of the basics.


--------------------
I am the fakest person on this site. I only pretend to grow and consume illegal mushrooms. I have no knowledge what so ever on any scheduled substance because I know and respect the governing law in the United States of America. All pictures and dialogue posted by me is entirley copyrighted from those who wish to knowingly ignore the laws. I only post these messages as a mere propaganda technique used to gain attention and admiration from others. Thank You


Edited by future (12/28/07 01:28 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRoachMan
Old Man
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/06/05
Posts: 2,083
Loc: Midwest
Re: As a first time should I [Re: future]
    #7807433 - 12/28/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

c) Rye


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNibin
Getting there
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/29/05
Posts: 4,480
Last seen: 10 years, 8 months
Trusted Cultivator
Re: As a first time should I [Re: future]
    #7807463 - 12/28/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you start with no materials whatsoever, the cheapest is Pf tek as you don't need to buy a PC.

All you need is a big pan, jars, verm, brown rice flour (or b rice + coffee grinder) and some perlite (the next step up is to buy a rubbermaid to use as a fruiting chamber instead of coke bottles or whatever you have lying around) Oh and spores too.

On the other hand, if you already own a PC, grains can be as cheap per batch, as WBS is very cheap. But you also have to factor in the extra cost of casing and maybe bulk substrate.

Trying to go for biggest yield possible (apart from sounding suspiciously like intent to deal which is a no no here, but I'll try not to jump to conclusions) is the fastest road to failure for a person with little experience.

If you didn't manage to grow using pf tek, and even more if it was due, as you have admitted, to you not doing things properly thinking you could cut corners because you were in a hurry, I suggest you try and at least do a pf tek grow right, as you will be familiar with the procedures.

If you manage to get your cakes to 100% colonization you can always spawn them to coir or hpoo afterwards, to increase your yields, if you decide not to fruit them as they are.


--------------------
Newcomers guide-----> For all things shroomy


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblethedefone
deus ex machina

Registered: 10/06/07
Posts: 1,883
Loc: Gondwana
Re: As a first time should I [Re: Nibin]
    #7808120 - 12/28/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you have already failed at PFTek, then I would suggest that you see that horse to the end of the race. You can use your cakes to spawn to bulk, should you decide to go that route. However, if I were you, I would go with nearer to 24-36 1/2 pint range if you are thinking about higher yields. If you decide to work with grains later, those 1/2 pint jars will be very handy in tons of other uses.


--------------------


I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejeetered
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/07/06
Posts: 3,055
Loc: no clue
Re: As a first time should I [Re: thedefone]
    #7808141 - 12/28/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

a block of coir is 5 bux, best bulk sub for the money.
u can do this for under 30 dollars, (considering you have a pressure cooker which is a MUST)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNibin
Getting there
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/29/05
Posts: 4,480
Last seen: 10 years, 8 months
Trusted Cultivator
Re: As a first time should I [Re: jeetered]
    #7808173 - 12/28/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

jeetered said:
a block of coir is 5 bux, best bulk sub for the money.
u can do this for under 30 dollars, (considering you have a pressure cooker which is a MUST)




It's not a must for pf cakes spawned to pasteurized coir.

I will concede it is a huge help and advantage but in no way is it necessary.


--------------------
Newcomers guide-----> For all things shroomy


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineveda_sticks
Cultivator
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 07/29/07
Posts: 14,191
Loc: UK Flag
Last seen: 4 years, 25 days
Re: As a first time should I [Re: Nibin]
    #7808816 - 12/28/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have succesfully growin using boiling, i bought a pressure cooker because i thought boiling wasnt doing it, well after getting a pressure cooker i still got green mould.

My inoculations wernt up to scratch cause i didint use a glove box.

Pressure cooker is recomended, if you got one great. If not, boiling should be fine for the pf tek.


--------------------

PF TEK - writeup by EvilMushroom666
Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblethedefone
deus ex machina

Registered: 10/06/07
Posts: 1,883
Loc: Gondwana
Re: As a first time should I [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7808850 - 12/28/07 10:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Go buy a pressure cooker. There is no reason not to have one, if you can afford it. I got mine for $40. They will in no way reduce your chances of success, and if you do want to advance to grains later on, then you're one step ahead.


--------------------


I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineveda_sticks
Cultivator
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 07/29/07
Posts: 14,191
Loc: UK Flag
Last seen: 4 years, 25 days
Re: As a first time should I [Re: thedefone]
    #7808861 - 12/28/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you can afford to buy one go ahead, if not then the pf tek is for you.


--------------------

PF TEK - writeup by EvilMushroom666
Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTHEBats
FuturePsychopharmacologist
Male

Registered: 03/18/05
Posts: 1,268
Loc: Florida
Last seen: 12 years, 7 months
Re: As a first time should I [Re: thedefone]
    #7808867 - 12/28/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

pf tek is best if, like me also a college student, you lack the funds for one. I also have never gotten a contam from using just steam sterilization.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinethe4x4hoss
Fat kid at theback of theshort bus
Male
Registered: 12/29/07
Posts: 75
Loc: north central texas
Last seen: 13 years, 11 months
Re: As a first time should I [Re: THEBats]
    #7809852 - 12/29/07 07:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I believe it is best to start with the pf-tek just so you can get a firm grip on the growing process, I did and have had great results with brf cakes, wbs, and rye. By starting small you have an opportunity to hone your techniques. A friend tried to jump into the deep end with a bulk grow and can't colonize a jar to save his life. But if you want bulk you need the pc and they aren't as expensive as you think. I picked up a 22qt from a pawn shop for $15 (holds 7 1qt jars nicely). Just stay out of the bar one Saturday and you should have enough cash to pick one up. Thrift stores are a good place to look for supplies also.


--------------------
"Heaven is not a place you go when you die, rather it is that moments in time when you actually feel alive." Mushies help...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinedoc34
Fungitarian
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/14/04
Posts: 2,667
Loc: Myceliaville !!!
Last seen: 7 months, 29 days
Re: As a first time should I [Re: future]
    #7809897 - 12/29/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

future said:
Go with the pf-tek that is so often used.

Or, is it possible with no experience whatsoever with growing mushrooms to use the wild bird seed tek.

What would you reccomend




I would go with the PF Tek if you do not have a PC.

If you can get a PC, I would definately go with grains-I think it is easier, with less work, than the PF tek.



My two pennies:thumbup:


Doc

P.S. Succeed using the PF Tek-then go buy a PC and follow the Tek in my sig!


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSparknutz420
WeIrDo
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/03/06
Posts: 106
Loc: Dumpster Divin'
Last seen: 14 years, 6 months
Re: As a first time should I [Re: doc34]
    #7809989 - 12/29/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yes pressure cookers come in handy, some say there not needed but for me i wouldn't be able to grow without one. I've tried boiling many times with no luck. like thedefone said, it couldn't hurt to pick one up


--------------------
Everythings changing to colors of green...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejeetered
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/07/06
Posts: 3,055
Loc: no clue
Re: As a first time should I [Re: Nibin]
    #7812852 - 12/30/07 09:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Nibin said:
Quote:

jeetered said:
a block of coir is 5 bux, best bulk sub for the money.
u can do this for under 30 dollars, (considering you have a pressure cooker which is a MUST)




It's not a must for pf cakes spawned to pasteurized coir.

I will concede it is a huge help and advantage but in no way is it necessary.




who the fuck said it was necessary? don't put words in my mouth.

fractional sterilization techniques work with pftek, but for grains, you cannot go any other way then a pressure cooker. with grains a PC is a must.



Edited by jeetered (12/30/07 09:06 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemushbaby
woodswalker
Female User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/30/06
Posts: 2,645
Loc: in my own lil world
Re: As a first time should I [Re: doc34]
    #7812961 - 12/30/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

doc34 said:
Quote:

future said:
Go with the pf-tek that is so often used.

Or, is it possible with no experience whatsoever with growing mushrooms to use the wild bird seed tek.

What would you reccomend




I would go with the PF Tek if you do not have a PC.

If you can get a PC, I would definately go with grains-I think it is easier, with less work, than the PF tek.



My two pennies:thumbup:


Doc

P.S. Succeed using the PF Tek-then go buy a PC and follow the Tek in my sig!




Wow! You are that Doc?  :bow:  Thank You!  Thank You!  Thank You!  You're tek is awesome!



To OP, personally I would by-pass PF tek.  But as you can tell everyone has their own opinions.

There's a few more steps involved doing grains or bird seed but I have seen where those extra steps were worth doing. 

I would def invest in a pc.  Good luck!


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNibin
Getting there
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/29/05
Posts: 4,480
Last seen: 10 years, 8 months
Trusted Cultivator
Re: As a first time should I [Re: jeetered]
    #7814021 - 12/30/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

jeetered said:
Quote:

Nibin said:
Quote:

jeetered said:
a block of coir is 5 bux, best bulk sub for the money.
u can do this for under 30 dollars, (considering you have a pressure cooker which is a MUST)




It's not a must for pf cakes spawned to pasteurized coir.

I will concede it is a huge help and advantage but in no way is it necessary.




who the fuck said it was necessary? don't put words in my mouth.

fractional sterilization techniques work with pftek, but for grains, you cannot go any other way then a pressure cooker. with grains a PC is a must.






The OP was asking about both pf cakes and grains, so all I was doing was adding a little extra info to your comment, not claiming that you were saying anything else.

And boiling jars once isn't really fractional sterilization as you aren't doing the required extra boilings.

You're cranky as always jeet, still off the diverse substances?  :tongue:


--------------------
Newcomers guide-----> For all things shroomy


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinedoc34
Fungitarian
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/14/04
Posts: 2,667
Loc: Myceliaville !!!
Last seen: 7 months, 29 days
Re: As a first time should I [Re: mushbaby]
    #7841627 - 01/06/08 09:59 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

mushbaby said:

Quote:

Wow! You are that Doc?  Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! You're tek is awesome!






Yes I am and you are welcome:D
Glad I could help:thumbup:

Doc


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejeetered
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/07/06
Posts: 3,055
Loc: no clue
Re: As a first time should I [Re: Nibin]
    #7879779 - 01/14/08 06:44 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Nibin said:
Quote:

jeetered said:
Quote:

Nibin said:
Quote:

jeetered said:
a block of coir is 5 bux, best bulk sub for the money.
u can do this for under 30 dollars, (considering you have a pressure cooker which is a MUST)




It's not a must for pf cakes spawned to pasteurized coir.

I will concede it is a huge help and advantage but in no way is it necessary.




who the fuck said it was necessary? don't put words in my mouth.

fractional sterilization techniques work with pftek, but for grains, you cannot go any other way then a pressure cooker. with grains a PC is a must.






The OP was asking about both pf cakes and grains, so all I was doing was adding a little extra info to your comment, not claiming that you were saying anything else.

And boiling jars once isn't really fractional sterilization as you aren't doing the required extra boilings.

You're cranky as always jeet, still off the diverse substances?  :tongue:




yeah still clean and sober, sorry for that...

and yeah, fractional sterilization requires at LEAST 3 boilings, hence  fractional, as in, steps..

again, i never said one boiling would do it,


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Bags   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* fractional sterilization experiment dr_psilocybo 1,349 6 08/18/12 09:48 PM
by RogerRabbit
* Fractionated Ster. Exp. with Wheat Berries and Popcorn Aeolus1369 2,754 7 05/05/18 07:52 AM
by Aeolus1369
* Advantages to cloning Sclerotia? wildernessjunkie 1,463 3 11/28/11 03:17 PM
by blackout
* What is the success rate of fractional sterilization? DuggstarMDiscord 5,249 12 10/27/09 08:09 PM
by Magnesium111
* Anyone got a prob with fractional pcing?
( 1 2 all )
camplo 1,622 25 04/17/08 09:46 PM
by ScavengerType
* Fractional Sterilization shroomhelp13 700 19 01/12/10 04:40 PM
by RogerRabbit
* fractional sterilization success story! (well, not really)
( 1 2 3 all )
rsinatra13 3,639 43 01/19/10 06:48 PM
by rsinatra13
* Low temp fractional sterilization?
( 1 2 all )
blackout 8,295 25 01/26/06 05:37 AM
by mogur

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
1,253 topic views. 16 members, 127 guests and 29 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.028 seconds spending 0.011 seconds on 14 queries.