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InvisibleDiploidM
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Saying Grace
    #7807368 - 12/28/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Does it make sense to thank God for food that will satisfy the hunger he also gave you?


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7807387 - 12/28/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Is that you Swami?:heart:


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Icelander]
    #7807416 - 12/28/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Don't be jealous because no one channels you. One day perhaps...


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7807529 - 12/28/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The devil gave us hunger  :satansmoking:


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7807571 - 12/28/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Don't be jealous because no one channels you. One day perhaps...


:monkeydance:  :poop:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Icelander]
    #7807973 - 12/28/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've been spending a lot of time eating with assorted friends and relatives over the holidays, and in almost every case someone insists on saying grace.

I'm sure this isn't the first time this question's been asked, but since none of my friends or relatives has come up with a satisfying answer, I though I'd ask here. I don't expect any better results though.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7807986 - 12/28/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Baby Jesus wants you to do it :rolleyes:


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
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Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7808028 - 12/28/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What good would food be without hunger?


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7808032 - 12/28/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Regardless of whether or not you believe in God, I think it's healthy and mature to count your blessings and be thankful for what you have.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Silversoul]
    #7808119 - 12/28/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Silversoul said:
Regardless of whether or not you believe in God, I think it's healthy and mature to count your blessings and be thankful for what you have.




that is ridiculous, counting blessings before dinner is a waste of time and makes the food cold

why thank god for food that you worked for and earned?


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Atheist]
    #7808128 - 12/28/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I like cold food.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Atheist]
    #7808130 - 12/28/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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why thank god for food that you worked for and earned?




Because God wants to fuck you out of it if you don't.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Atheist]
    #7808139 - 12/28/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Atheist said:
that is ridiculous, counting blessings before dinner is a waste of time and makes the food cold



If you say grace for so long that your food gets cold, you're doing it wrong.

Quote:

why thank god for food that you worked for and earned?



Because you an opportunity to earn it. Have you ever stopped to think about how privileged you are? Do you know how many people would love to have the food that we take for granted? I think saying grace is a humble acknowledgement of how privileged you are to be in such a position and a reminder not to take it for granted.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Atheist]
    #7808143 - 12/28/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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that is ridiculous, counting blessings before dinner is a waste of time and makes the food cold

why thank god for food that you worked for and earned?


He didn't say that one ought to thank god, only that it is healthy to be thankful for what one has. In this chaotic world, one could be starving to death in Darfur, so why not allow feelings of thankfulness (different from gratitude) to arise before eating a healthy meal in the comfort of one's own dwelling?


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Lion]
    #7808148 - 12/28/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Of course, it's usually those of more meager means who are more thankful for what they have. The privileged classes tend to take it for granted. I suspect this might be one reason for the higher rate of religiosity among the poor.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7808219 - 12/28/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Quote:

why thank god for food that you worked for and earned?




Because God wants to fuck you out of it if you don't.




damn Him!


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Lion]
    #7808863 - 12/28/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

thankfulness (different from gratitude)




Could you expand on this? :bigjoint:


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: daytripper23]
    #7810089 - 12/29/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

When I see food and wonder at how God created such animals and plants to eat, and how delicious these wondrous creations are, I can't help but to give thanks. I'm thankful not only for the food, also for the fact that I am able to thank Him, only through the blood of Jesus.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Silversoul]
    #7810097 - 12/29/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why not carry it out further? Pause before each breath and give thanks for oxygen-rich air. Thank your heart for each beat.

When you have mastered that, give thanks for each photon that comes from the sun that brings light and warmth.

After that, well - that is the ultimate and you will have no time left for anything else.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Silversoul]
    #7810203 - 12/29/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I suspect this might be one reason for the higher rate of religiosity among the poor.





Education level is related to both income AND religiosity. The more education one receives, the higher one's income is likely to be, and the lower one's religiosity is likely to be.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7810273 - 12/29/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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After that, well - that is the ultimate and you will have no time left for anything else.



Unless you have a basic ability to multi-task. A bodhisattva can easily spend each moment in thankfulness while performing other duties. For the rest of us, a moment of contemplation and reflection might do us some good.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7810811 - 12/29/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Why not carry it out further? Pause before each breath and give thanks for oxygen-rich air. Thank your heart for each beat.

When you have mastered that, give thanks for each photon that comes from the sun that brings light and warmth.

After that, well - that is the ultimate and you will have no time left for anything else.




You WILL have time left. This is where "The Way of a Pilgrim" comes in, and prayer of the heart.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Atheist]
    #7810856 - 12/29/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanksgiving is a healthy response even in an existential, non-ontological sense. What I hear in your
response is arrogance. The existential "givens" in your life - the 'isness' of your life could be horrible. Thanksgiving does not necessitate 'belief' in a non-experienced Deity, but it is, rather, a fully human response to the existential 'givens' versus the existential 'possibilities' Thanksgiving is a subtle but profound realization that allows for humility instead of arrogance and its corollary - self-importance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_therapy


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7813038 - 12/30/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
I've been spending a lot of time eating with assorted friends and relatives over the holidays, and in almost every case someone insists on saying grace.

I'm sure this isn't the first time this question's been asked, but since none of my friends or relatives has come up with a satisfying answer, I though I'd ask here. I don't expect any better results though.




You need new friends. Or tell them to keep there superstitions in the jungle where they belong.:lol::monkeydance:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Edited by Icelander (12/30/07 10:27 AM)


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: fivepointer]
    #7813052 - 12/30/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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fivepointer said:
When I see food and wonder at how God created such animals and plants to eat, and how delicious these wondrous creations are, I can't help but to give thanks.  I'm thankful not only for the food, also for the fact that I am able to thank Him, only through the blood of Jesus.




And don't forget you can eat Jesus too!:thumbup: His blood and  body are oh so tender I hear. Kind of like veal cause he was locked up in that tomb for so long.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Icelander]
    #7813196 - 12/30/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think it tastes like someone shit in my mouth.

note: this may be conjecture because so far no has actually shit in my mouth


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Edited by Huehuecoyotl (12/30/07 11:10 AM)


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7813523 - 12/30/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There's still time.:poop:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Icelander]
    #7814415 - 12/30/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am in no hurry...


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7818683 - 12/31/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Does it make sense to thank God for food that will satisfy the hunger he also gave you?




I don't mind taking part in them....
Does it make sense, I guess it depends on what makes sense to you....
Traditional rituals of thanks....  I am thankful for a few of them....
I got to see quite a few friends and family (that I wouldn't otherwise see) over the last week -
because of a few of those traditional rituals....  :wink:


>^;;^<


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Icelander]
    #7819072 - 01/01/08 04:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
Quote:

fivepointer said:
When I see food and wonder at how God created such animals and plants to eat, and how delicious these wondrous creations are, I can't help but to give thanks.  I'm thankful not only for the food, also for the fact that I am able to thank Him, only through the blood of Jesus.




And don't forget you can eat Jesus too!:thumbup: His blood and  body are oh so tender I hear. Kind of like veal cause he was locked up in that tomb for so long.



He arose so He is not in a tomb.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: fivepointer]
    #7819863 - 01/01/08 12:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He was for three days at least and that tenderized him up plus the fact that he went to Hell cooked him and so he's ready for munching.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Icelander]
    #7819882 - 01/01/08 12:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
He was for three days at least and that tenderized him up plus the fact that he went to Hell cooked him and so he's ready for munching.:thumbup:



He saw no corruption so He is not tenderized and not ready for munching.
He sits on the right hand of God alive and well.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: fivepointer]
    #7819886 - 01/01/08 12:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He sits on the right hand of God alive and well.


And well what? Well done?:lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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