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InvisibleDiploidM
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Saying Grace
    #7807368 - 12/28/07 03:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Does it make sense to thank God for food that will satisfy the hunger he also gave you?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7807387 - 12/28/07 03:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Is that you Swami?:heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Icelander]
    #7807416 - 12/28/07 03:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Don't be jealous because no one channels you. One day perhaps...


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7807529 - 12/28/07 04:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The devil gave us hunger  :satansmoking:


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7807571 - 12/28/07 04:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Don't be jealous because no one channels you. One day perhaps...


:monkeydance:  :poop:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Icelander]
    #7807973 - 12/28/07 06:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I've been spending a lot of time eating with assorted friends and relatives over the holidays, and in almost every case someone insists on saying grace.

I'm sure this isn't the first time this question's been asked, but since none of my friends or relatives has come up with a satisfying answer, I though I'd ask here. I don't expect any better results though.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7807986 - 12/28/07 06:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Baby Jesus wants you to do it :rolleyes:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7808028 - 12/28/07 07:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What good would food be without hunger?


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Diploid]
    #7808032 - 12/28/07 07:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Regardless of whether or not you believe in God, I think it's healthy and mature to count your blessings and be thankful for what you have.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Silversoul]
    #7808119 - 12/28/07 07:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
Regardless of whether or not you believe in God, I think it's healthy and mature to count your blessings and be thankful for what you have.




that is ridiculous, counting blessings before dinner is a waste of time and makes the food cold

why thank god for food that you worked for and earned?


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Atheist]
    #7808128 - 12/28/07 07:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I like cold food.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Atheist]
    #7808130 - 12/28/07 07:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

why thank god for food that you worked for and earned?




Because God wants to fuck you out of it if you don't.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Atheist]
    #7808139 - 12/28/07 07:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Atheist said:
that is ridiculous, counting blessings before dinner is a waste of time and makes the food cold



If you say grace for so long that your food gets cold, you're doing it wrong.

Quote:

why thank god for food that you worked for and earned?



Because you an opportunity to earn it. Have you ever stopped to think about how privileged you are? Do you know how many people would love to have the food that we take for granted? I think saying grace is a humble acknowledgement of how privileged you are to be in such a position and a reminder not to take it for granted.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Atheist]
    #7808143 - 12/28/07 07:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

that is ridiculous, counting blessings before dinner is a waste of time and makes the food cold

why thank god for food that you worked for and earned?


He didn't say that one ought to thank god, only that it is healthy to be thankful for what one has. In this chaotic world, one could be starving to death in Darfur, so why not allow feelings of thankfulness (different from gratitude) to arise before eating a healthy meal in the comfort of one's own dwelling?


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Lion]
    #7808148 - 12/28/07 08:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Of course, it's usually those of more meager means who are more thankful for what they have. The privileged classes tend to take it for granted. I suspect this might be one reason for the higher rate of religiosity among the poor.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7808219 - 12/28/07 08:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Quote:

why thank god for food that you worked for and earned?




Because God wants to fuck you out of it if you don't.




damn Him!


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Lion]
    #7808863 - 12/29/07 12:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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thankfulness (different from gratitude)




Could you expand on this? :bigjoint:


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: daytripper23]
    #7810089 - 12/29/07 11:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

When I see food and wonder at how God created such animals and plants to eat, and how delicious these wondrous creations are, I can't help but to give thanks. I'm thankful not only for the food, also for the fact that I am able to thank Him, only through the blood of Jesus.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Silversoul]
    #7810097 - 12/29/07 11:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Why not carry it out further? Pause before each breath and give thanks for oxygen-rich air. Thank your heart for each beat.

When you have mastered that, give thanks for each photon that comes from the sun that brings light and warmth.

After that, well - that is the ultimate and you will have no time left for anything else.


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Re: Saying Grace [Re: Silversoul]
    #7810203 - 12/29/07 12:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I suspect this might be one reason for the higher rate of religiosity among the poor.





Education level is related to both income AND religiosity. The more education one receives, the higher one's income is likely to be, and the lower one's religiosity is likely to be.


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