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Offlinewind3d
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questions about cultivation
    #7807012 - 12/28/07 10:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hi all,
hope everyone is in a helpful mood today, as i have a list of questions ive compiled over the course of waiting for my mycelium to fully colonize :smile: sorry about the length of this post, but i want to be 100% thorough about what i end up doing for the fruiting process so it is successful. thanks to any and all or help or try to help...
Some info about the setup thus far in the grow...
Strain: Cubensis B+
Substrate: Wild bird Seed in grow bags
Temp: 70-75 degrees F

Now, I am not sure which tek i will follow to fruit the mushrooms. I thought about Fruiting 2 of the bags in the bag, by cutting some airslits around the bag. I'm not even sure if cubensis b+ will fruit directly on WBS? does anyone know? I also thought about spawning to bulk the other 2 bags, or, since its wild bird seed, taking it out of the bags, and crumbling it and casing it. Thoughts? I'm also not exactly sure by reading the FAQ what to do after mycelium is established after spawning to bulk, or if you spawn to bulk and case at same time? Can someone explain that?
What are some teks that anyone can recommend that are easy for a very new beginner? I don't want to get too complicated / advanced at this point in time. I've never even used mushrooms before so this will be the first time :smile:

Some more questions that i wont go too much into detail over...

1.) is it possible to flush grow bag grows if growing them directly in the bag?

2.) is there sufficient water/moisture in a grow bag to provide the fruit bodies that develop inside of them with enough water to grow?

3.) if the mycelium cakes are taken out of grow bags, is it possible to fruit them traditionally in the terranium?

4.) after fruiting them, is it possible to dunk the "cakes" as you would a pint jar cake?

5.) how much water is needed to allow mushrooms to grow on the mycelium bag cakes, given their larger size?

6.) is it bad to spray the fruiting bag cakes directly with water to replenish the amount of water used by the fruitbodies?

7.) is it even possible for cubensis (b+) to fruit in a WBS grow bag, or must it be cased?

Thanks for reading, and extra thanks to anyone who answers any or all of my questions!


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Re: questions about cultivation [Re: wind3d]
    #7807043 - 12/28/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

1.) is it possible to flush grow bag grows if growing them directly in the bag?

Yes Don't even need to cut air slits in it.

2.) is there sufficient water/moisture in a grow bag to provide the fruit bodies that develop inside of them with enough water to grow?

Yes its the same as a mono tube the sub will hold enough water. Dunk after each flush if you can.

3.) if the mycelium cakes are taken out of grow bags, is it possible to fruit them traditionally in the terrarium?

Yes But you don't have to take them out of the bag. Cut the top of the bag leave a half inch fill with a casing layer and you have a tray to keep them in.

4.) after fruiting them, is it possible to dunk the "cakes" as you would a pint jar cake?

yep just need a larger container to do it in

5.) how much water is needed to allow mushrooms to grow on the mycelium bag cakes, given their larger size?

once it is at field capacity and in the bag you don't have to add anymore if you go invitro till you flush

6.) is it bad to spray the fruiting bag cakes directly with water to replenish the amount of water used by the fruitbodies?

You don't need to unless you do the shotgun terrarium.

7.) is it even possible for cubensis (b+) to fruit in a WBS grow bag, or must it be cased?

Don't need to be cased if you go invitro. You only case to hold the moister up around the sub.


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Re: questions about cultivation [Re: wind3d]
    #7807045 - 12/28/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i don't know all the answers but i am doing the same thing you are. i have wbs in a medium oven bag. i am going to spawn that to 2 turkey size (larger) oven bags with poo and verm 50/50 let that col after fully col in the poo bags i will dunk over night then seal bag and fruit in the bags this is what i am doing. i am no expert by any means. some one may disagree. read read read anything you can find and after you found everything look some more and read that or the same thing twice. get a understanding of how things work. a lot of grows have the same thing in them like dunking what not but are different. so read read and read some more


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Re: questions about cultivation [Re: wind3d]
    #7807058 - 12/28/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

first of all yes b+ will fruit off of bird seed

if you spawn to bulk substrate you are taking your fully colonized wbs and mixing it with bulk substrate or most people use horse poo or cow poo and straw then to case it is to put most commonly used 50/50 vermiculite and coir

1. yes its possible to get flushes straight out of the bag and for a beginner i would recommend it its simple but to get better results i would go bulk and do the bulk substrate and case

2.allot of grow bags are designed to grow right out of the bag so most likely but sometimes you may need to add a little bit of water after each flush to rehydrate it

3.if you are going to take it out of the grow bag you would want to put it in a container and case it for best results

4.yes depending on the size (if you have something of that size to dunk it in) you would want to dunk it

5.what you would do is just leave it in the bag naturally for the first flush and then dunk it after that flush

6.this is necessary if you are doing cakes for the most part just go to a hair treatment place and buy a spray bottle there with fine mist

7.it is possible but it would show much better results to go with casings for you wbs b+

hope i was helpfull
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Re: questions about cultivation [Re: wind3d]
    #7807168 - 12/28/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you end up casing the WBS, I strongly recommend using pasteurized Miracle Grow moisture control soil (available at any nursey, Home Depot and the like). The process is EASY!

Simply add 2 - 3 tablespoons of calcium carbonate (chalk) powder per quart of soil, mix it up good in a bowl then add water to field capacity. Spoon moistened soil into quart jars, and cover with aluminum foil. Place the jars "shoulder deep" in water, and stick in a cooking thermometer dead center in one of the jars. When thermometer reaches 160 - 170 degrees, start your timer for 1 hour. Maintain this temp for 1 hr and you have the best casing material imaginable.

Cover your WBS or bulk substrate no more than 1/2" deep with the MGMC. I've done this time and again and gotten four flushes and NOT ONE instance of contamination so far. I love that stuff! Cheap, available, and easy.

Good luck! Keep us posted.
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Re: questions about cultivation [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7807198 - 12/28/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, for starters - thanks to those who have replied as quickly as you did. Totally thought it'd take longer than that! +K
to follow up with some of what you guys have shared, one comment particularly interests me....

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MYSTIQUE said:
1.) is it possible to flush grow bag grows if growing them directly in the bag? Yes Don't even need to cut air slits in it.




If you don't mind me asking, i thought that FAE was one of the primary triggers of fruiting mycelium? how am i supposed to tell the mycelium its time to fruit w/o the air slits? Does the process of achieving full colonization do this?
Thanks.


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Re: questions about cultivation [Re: Nature Boy]
    #7807202 - 12/28/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think that is some good bag questions and some good bag answers....


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Re: questions about cultivation [Re: guyoncouch]
    #7807214 - 12/28/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

grow bags come with filter patches to alow FAE


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Re: questions about cultivation [Re: wikedferret]
    #7807250 - 12/28/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The full colonization trigger will be enough with the help of some light. The filter patch should also allow for enough FAE.
But some people use invitro as inoculate and forget and just leave them in a cupboard or shelf for a few weeks and then pick.


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Re: questions about cultivation [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7807477 - 12/28/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Grains do not fruit well on their own as they don't retain a lot of water. If you want to fruit them in the bag uncased, you should have mixed in some verm in with the grain for water retention.

Now, you should case them.


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