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handicappedrat
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: LSDaytripper]
#7842516 - 01/07/08 07:30 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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LSDaytripper said: I've sort of felt that on acid, but it wasn't gayness, it was more of just love for everyone and everything in the world.
Ahahaha, who HASN'T felt that at some point in their life?
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Bend the Bong
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: handicappedrat]
#7842929 - 01/07/08 10:15 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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You have to find it on your own...there is no doubt in my mind that there is some form of female entity that comes with perturbing the tryptamine[& some Phenethylamine's; MDMA brings this out for me.] brain chemistry...
I can't even imagine being one of the first westerners to feel that experience....
"We were talking-about the space between us all And the people-who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion Never glimpse the truth-then it's far too late-when they pass away. We were talking-about the love we all could share-when we find it To try our best to hold it there-with our love With our love-we could save the world-if they only knew. Try to realise it's all within yourself No-one else can make you change And to see you're really only very small, And life flows ON within you and without you. We were talking-about the love that's gone so cold and the people, Who gain the world and lose their soul- They don't know-they can't see-are you one of them? When you've seen beyond yourself-then you may find, peace of mind, Is waiting there- And the time will come when you see we're all one, and life flows on within you and without you."
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manyc
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: primativezen]
#7842950 - 01/07/08 10:24 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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primativezen said: Nothing happened but if the other guy had been gay I don't know what would have happened to be honest. The entire night seems almost like a dream. It seemed as if my subconscious directed all my actions, as it does in your dreams. I didn't actually have the thought "I'm gay", it was more like a loss of sexuality as guruu said. I also tried to get on girls (unsuccessfully lol) and ended up pleasuring myself in front of them all.
You pleasured yourself in front of them.. meaning, you just whipped your dick out and started beating it?
I had an experience where my friend totally lost himself for a few hours, and he was running around with his pants around his ankles sticking water bottles up his ass, beating himself off in the freezing fuckin wind, trying to KISS ME - all while me and my other friend are freaking out, trying to bring him back to his senses. And... I think at one point he walked over to me (I was sitting down) while he was still in this fucking ego-loss state and grabbed me by my hair like you would a cheap whore (he started unzipping his pants).
I am not homophobic. I've gone through phases where I thought I might be gay, but I have come to the conclusion that the natural way (dick in vagina) wins it for me. But my friend was pretty much attacking me and my other friend with this random homosexual behavior -not violently, because he doesn't know how to fight and he was weakened by his inebriated state, but he was being very imposing and belligerent with it.. After he grabbed me by the hair I wasnt fucking taking it anymore - we wrestled across the whole farmhouse before I pushed him the hell off of me.
It was fucked up.
Worst trip of my life.
I don't hold it against him, but ever since then things between all ofu s haven't been the same. In fact, I don't even talk to him anymore, mainly because he doesn't like my fiance (and baby's mama). He's spoken so lowly of her, and of women in general (one of those guys who just needs to fuck something ALL THE TIME, yet calls a married man pussy-whipped) , that my respect for him has dwindled to nothing.
And if you don't like my girl, you don't like me. End of story.
BTW - He had taken a quarter of mushrooms and 2 fucking GREAT rolls, and then we took EIGHTEEN hits of acid, all within about 6 hours, so... it's no wonder that he lost himself, but his loss made me and the other friend unable to let go. We had to stay on a more sober level, to make sure he didn't kill himself. That's the real tragedy - it ruined the trip.
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Edited by manyc (01/07/08 10:32 AM)
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: manyc]
#7843227 - 01/07/08 11:38 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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To what extent is this gayness going to? you just think a guy is hot, or you actually want to bite the pillow for him??
Ive never had any GAY thoughts or acted out anything on any of my mushroom trips.
I dont really know what to think about you guys that do become gay while tripping.  you might be slightly gay, you might be gay all the way, who knows.
Like others have mentioned, i do feel loving towards everybody and im more open. ill tell a guy hes wearing a nice jacket because i like the jacket not because i like they way he fits into it. hahh.
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: thoughts]
#7843372 - 01/07/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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im cool with other dudes except when they try to make out with me or grab my cock and no amount of pychedelic drugs can change that.
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emeryg89
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7846983 - 01/08/08 07:09 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Those of you that have been made uncomfortable, or looking at this with a closed mind, are in fact, either uncomfortable with your sexuality or just an unsociable, unaffectionate being in general. The ONLY reason, other than being born or bred unaffectionate for you to associate affection with sexuality (ie: 'being gay') is because you're mind's been trained to see it that way... most of this training is done subconsciously and mindlessly, and goes unnoticed... so I see you all right now (the uncomfortable ones) defending yourself, saying you're completely comfortable with your sexuality... the truth is, if you were truly comfortable, sexuality and affection would remain seperate... it's the same deal with nudism... I know plenty of guys (or girls) that think being around another person while naked (or everyone naked) is a sure sign of sexuality... many guys can't look at a nude girl without provoking sexual thoughts, and most guys can't look at a nude guy without provoking 'gay' thoughts. This all has to do with the notions society has ingrained you with... sexuality is sexuality, period... nothing else constitutes, neither affection nor nudity.
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EllisDSox
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: emeryg89]
#7846998 - 01/08/08 07:26 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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I think there's two factors going into play, both already stated... 1, the fact that affection is very desirable in the mindstate because of the 'connections' and whatnot, and 2, your ego is weakened enough so that normal social, self-constructed mindframes and stigmas begin to melt... you'd want to cuddle with all of your friends, gay, straight, or not, on a normal basis if you weren't used to putting on your egomask that society has trained us so well to do... Affections a completely natural thing, and has nothing, whatsoever to do with sexuality... if you associate the too, you're following 'societie's' rules... we're animals... let's just be happy with that.
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: EllisDSox]
#7847059 - 01/08/08 08:25 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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lol. just thought i'd throw my own little anecdotes into this thread. glad to see it was finally made.
never had any actual intercourse imagery/desires/feelings, but my early trips i had difficulty separating my feelings and perceptions from the feelings and perceptions of people around me. so like i'll be around some people lets say a guy and his looks will start to change and he'll start looking all masculine and beautiful, then i suddenly snap out of it and realize that the girl next to me thoughts just invaded my mind for a minute. it works in all directions, but at first i had no idea what was happening and had read all that shit about repressed feelings and memories and thought i was a latent gay who had somehow buried it so deep i didn't know i was i gay. i remember i had one acid trip where i got really into the idea of repressed feelings and memories, and then one of those flashes of feminine thought hit me and i had to spend like an hour trying to logically figure out if i was a homosexual who had repressed it to the point of not knowing i was.
i eventually decided that if i enjoy having sex with women, and don't think about having sex with men, then by definition i must be heterosexual. although this is obvious, only by following the most twisted paths of personality and logic did i arrive at this understanding.
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manyc
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: emeryg89]
#7847211 - 01/08/08 09:47 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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emeryg89 said: Those of you that have been made uncomfortable, or looking at this with a closed mind, are in fact, either uncomfortable with your sexuality or just an unsociable, unaffectionate being in general. The ONLY reason, other than being born or bred unaffectionate for you to associate affection with sexuality (ie: 'being gay') is because you're mind's been trained to see it that way... most of this training is done subconsciously and mindlessly, and goes unnoticed... so I see you all right now (the uncomfortable ones) defending yourself, saying you're completely comfortable with your sexuality... the truth is, if you were truly comfortable, sexuality and affection would remain seperate... it's the same deal with nudism... I know plenty of guys (or girls) that think being around another person while naked (or everyone naked) is a sure sign of sexuality... many guys can't look at a nude girl without provoking sexual thoughts, and most guys can't look at a nude guy without provoking 'gay' thoughts. This all has to do with the notions society has ingrained you with... sexuality is sexuality, period... nothing else constitutes, neither affection nor nudity.
well, there's a difference when you're around someone you know is gay and being uncomfortable, and being around someone you know isn't gay, and them suddenly becoming a raving, yelling, sexual, primal being- who is trying to push himself upon you. being uncomfortable, or threatened, in THAT situation, is natural if you ask me. there ain't no affection in attacking your friends - though through his tears and bellows, he would tell us that he loved us. but i think he loved us a little too much.
my friend -whom im speaking of- was imposing his repressed SEXUAL feelings onto me and another guy, and we were in a much clearer state of mind (mostly because we were trying to guide him back to sanity).
running around with your pants around your ankles beatin your meat and sticking water bottles and your $300 iPod up your ass... those actions are sexual to me.
trying to fit a square into a circle...
clothing, i believe, is the main thing to blame for all this sexual confusion in the world. anyone with me on that?
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emeryg89
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: manyc]
#7847446 - 01/08/08 11:18 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Manyc, your concern I'm pretty sure, would be generally understood by most... that has nothing to do with affection in my opinion, and surely has little to do with your own sexuality/affection opinions. Anyone, forcing any unneccessary act upon anyone else is wrong... consent it key to all situations, even those regarding just mere hugs. Sorry you had to endure such an experience... sounds funny, but horrific at the same time.
I agree somewhat with the clothing theory... I don't agree it's the main thing to blame... modernized, masculine-mind, industrialist society is to blame... the clothing part, and many others, fall under that general heading.
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Asante
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: AlCapwn]
#7854085 - 01/09/08 02:44 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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A lot of straight guys get nervous where it comes to homosexual thoughts. It's mostly a cultural thing, to suppress that.
I believe no major human trait is alien to any of us, it's the things you develop in life and the things you leave dormant that sculpt the personality you are.
During a 2CB solo session I was suddenly struck by a rather vivid straight revelation. It startled me too, but it's really a matter of everything being present in everyone.
Psychedelics open your mind. Many a time you can be surprised at what you find. Making contact with the gay (or straight) side of you needs be no reason for concern. Explore this side of you and get to know yourself better. Its just one of the many amazing sights to see in the journey of the mind one can have with psychedelics.
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: Asante]
#7854208 - 01/09/08 03:09 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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if you actually get nervous about making contact with socially unacceptable parts of your mind then you should probably not be doing psychadelics in the first place because if your not even comfortable with your own ideas theres no telling how bad a trip could end up
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Re: I thought you guys were joking when... [Re: AlCapwn]
#7854302 - 01/09/08 03:30 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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I think you caught the

Dr. Marz13 recommends you take two or three of these then call me in the morning.
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