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Strange question I thought about today
    #7805784 - 12/27/07 10:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

this is totally hypothetical and somewhat of a math problem i guess:

if there is a perfect plane made of something solid (glass, plastic, etc.)
and a perfect sphere made of the same shit sitting on top of the plane...
how much of the sphere is touching the plane? since its constantly curving it is almost nothing right?


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7805796 - 12/27/07 10:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

whoa.... I suppose if it was perfect, there would be such a minimal amount touching, it wouldn't be measurable.

If its a perfect sphere, it would just be a point. which only has one dimension, which means it wouldn't be measurable. Thats just me talking though, so don't take that for anything but my thoughts. But it would have to be measurable...

I really don't know. Thats an excellent question...

Get some one in here that knows a lot about math.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7805797 - 12/27/07 10:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yes


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7805801 - 12/27/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wouldn't it be only one unit of whatever the substance was? (assuming the plane was 100% horizontal)


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Leinahtan]
    #7805804 - 12/27/07 10:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

it would be almost nothing i guess


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7805811 - 12/27/07 10:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I know if you put a perfect circle on a line of 180 degrees, and have it only touch the line once, that point, is just a point. No dimensions that are measurable.

But since you add a third dimension to the problem, I am not sure. If it truly is perfect, I would imagine it would just be a point as well. Nothing measurable. I'll have to ask some one that knows more than I do on the subject.

This is a seriously interesting question. I commend you for coming up with it.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7805813 - 12/27/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I would assume it would be one molecule from the sphere touching one molecule of the plane.:shrug:


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Gainer]
    #7805819 - 12/27/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i dont mean to derail my own thread but, i just ate some ostrich jerkey and it was weird

tastes good but i keep imagining that bigass fuckin bird, and the jerkey is super chewy and tough

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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7805822 - 12/27/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

thats not off topic at all


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7805826 - 12/27/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

what others said, a point that would hardly register.

that was a really good question though. we need more people like you around here, laughs at spinal tap navy airplane pilot thread.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7805828 - 12/27/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The atom nearest to the flat plane on the underside of the sphere would be the virtually the only contact, but all objects repel at the atomic level. I would imagine that a grouping of 3 adjacent atoms on both the sphere and the plane would constantly oscillate parallel to each other.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7805830 - 12/27/07 10:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:

ostrich? what made you decide to buy some ostrich jerkey?

I think Gainer is on to something by the way.

But if the sphere was perfect, would the entire molecule be touching, or only part of it?

I think it would just be considered a point, not an actual place of 'touch'


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7805833 - 12/27/07 10:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

lol gayner


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7805835 - 12/27/07 10:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its not possible. If it was, whatever molecule was touching would break because of the weight. Even if it was touching down to the molecular level, than it wouldn't be a perfect sphere, and neither would the plane as molecules are not perfect spheres because of gravity.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: fapjack]
    #7805846 - 12/27/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Gravity was never part of the equation. Just a plane and a sphere.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7805847 - 12/27/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

depends on how big the line is and where it goes through the sphere at.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7805857 - 12/27/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the line doesn't go through the sphere. the sphere is laying on top of a plane.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7805865 - 12/27/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Drewwyann said:
the line doesn't go through the sphere. the sphere is laying on top of a plane.




how is the plane suppose to fly with a sphere on top of it?


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7805874 - 12/27/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: your such a pube.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7805876 - 12/27/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

To answer the question you must be the sphere


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Robo]
    #7805887 - 12/27/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I taught your momma how to do a gainer.

What it the sphere started rolling more molecules would touch as it rolled right.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Gainer]
    #7805891 - 12/27/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

my mom is dead


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Robo]
    #7805896 - 12/27/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I know it was way back in the day.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Robo]
    #7805903 - 12/27/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think I'm going with...

There is no measurable amount by which the sphere is touching the plane.

A sphere is forever curving. There would not be a .00001cm spot where it would be touching the plane, because even down at that microscopic level you would eventually get to, you would have to keep zooming in to find the exact point. No matter how much you would zoom in.

You could zoom in to 1 billion times normal vision, and though you could see the point, you would not know how large it is.

Does that make sense to anyone else?


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7805907 - 12/27/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

spheres and planes are so over-rated


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Robo]
    #7805909 - 12/27/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: your a pube too!


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Gainer]
    #7805914 - 12/27/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It would be the spatial equivalent of a "moment"... an undefinable amount of time.

I guess.

Maybe they don't really touch at all.

I do think about stuff like this though... such as, we're shown in all the illustrations that atoms are round. If everything is made up of tiny round things, it's amazing how sharp they can be! Like, the tip of a knife is composed entirely of round atoms... crazy


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7805926 - 12/27/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It would be the spatial equivalent of a "moment"... an undefinable amount of time.

I guess.

Maybe they don't really touch at all.

I do think about stuff like this though... such as, we're shown in all the illustrations that atoms are round. If everything is made up of tiny round things, it's amazing how sharp they can be! Like, the tip of a knife is composed entirely of round atoms... crazy




That explanation makes a lot of sense to me. You worded that very nicely.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7805930 - 12/27/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

im still trying to figure out what kind of plane is flying through the sphere...reminds me of that movie...The Langoliers...





is that the right answer?


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    #7805949 - 12/27/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

remember that movie Sphere?

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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7806009 - 12/27/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I thought sphere was pretty good.

Then again, I was pretty young when I watched it.


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    #7807226 - 12/28/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Theoretically 1 point, but that would be too unstable.
So they are touching by 3 points, normally, as every hard object does which you lie on the ground :grin:
If a chair would be hard enough, on a very hard bottom, it also would only stand on 3 legs instead of 4 (assuming it is not perfectly symmetric, which no real chair is).


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7807237 - 12/28/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They aren't touching, in this world nothing is ever touching. Electronegativity prevents anything from actually making contact. They may get within portions of a nanometer but they are never actually touching.

If you wanna get exact about it.


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    #7807262 - 12/28/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If it is a hypothetical sphere not made of actual atoms, then it would be touching with one infinitesimal point. You wouldnt need three to keep it stable, a hypothetical perfect sphere has uniform density so it could easily balance on one point. In fact it could only balance on one point.

If the sphere is made of actual atoms, then there would be some measurable area touching. Even if the sphere was made a round as possible, the weight would deform the point of contact slightly causing a flat spot.


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: DieCommie]
    #7807738 - 12/28/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If we are talking about matter here the plane and the sphere would not be touching you're right. If where speaking mathematically, the story's a little different. The perfect sphere 'sitting on top' of the perfect plane wouldn't even touch at 1 point, in order to do that it would be required to intersect. Am I right?


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Re: Strange question I thought about today [Re: Atheist]
    #7807911 - 12/28/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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I think I'm going with...

There is no measurable amount by which the sphere is touching the plane.

A sphere is forever curving. There would not be a .00001cm spot where it would be touching the plane, because even down at that microscopic level you would eventually get to, you would have to keep zooming in to find the exact point. No matter how much you would zoom in.

You could zoom in to 1 billion times normal vision, and though you could see the point, you would not know how large it is.

I guess I would agree with this because of how Pi is infinite in the way we apply it to define the accuracy of the circumfrence of a circle. You can theoretically never have the circle be difinitively round?

Also, if you consider the Plank Length (the smallest possible unit of measurement according to Kwantum Fizziks, methinks) and if you subscribe to suprasymetry (the concept that every particle has an anti-particle equivalent, than yeah, you just gotta believe!

And know I DON'T know, yet still.

Does that make sense to anyone else?




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