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DMT crystal + Syrian rue
    #7803859 - 12/27/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I an wondering how many shroomerites out there have used this combo, and how much of each they put into the mixture.

From what I understand, you use 25-50 mg for a decent dose.

Would this be correct? I've been looking for sources to back up the erowid document I got that from, and I've even tried to do my own math. (to no avail with the math part)

So how much of each have you used in your experience?

How does it compare with using mimosa, or another DMT containing plant?

Does it feel more "clean"?

I guess I'm looking for how the experience differs from ayahuasca.

Any personal experiences, dose that went with the experience, and descriptions of the experience is more or less what I'm looking for.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7808740 - 12/28/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've been curious about this, myself.

I'd really love to see this answered.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #7808768 - 12/28/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The oral crystal DMT dose is fairly higher than a smoked dose... I've heard 100 mg. is fairly sufficient for most, and 150 can be rather overpowering, but, if you're versed in ayahuasca lore, overpowering is probably what you're looking for.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7808772 - 12/28/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

25-50 of DMT seems low. From what I understand it's around 100 to begin with...then upwards depending on the intensity you want. Do a search for posts with the word "pharmahuasca" by "namaste" in the Trip Reports forum, I think he did 110 mg of DMT. I am REALLY curious to try this soon.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7808835 - 12/28/07 10:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have done 100mg several times with a Harmaline Tincture as a potentiator. That works for me real well I get about 4hrs of full blown psychedelic wonderland out of that ,with another couple hours of come down. 100 is the most I've tried with relatively clean spice. I have had more intense trips using my Pharmahuasca in a pill tek
I couldnt tell you exactly how much DMT is in those capsules. IMHO You wouldnt be disapointed with 100. If its your first experience I wouldnt start off with more.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #7808852 - 12/28/07 10:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I_H_S, cool - how much of the Harmaline Tincture do you use? I saw your pics and you have the same bottles I do with the "Not for Human Consumption" printed on them - how many dropper fulls do you eat? How long before the DMT do you eat the tincture?


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7808887 - 12/28/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

1 full dropper wait about 20-30 min and consume 1 more dropper full with my DMT medium. I just put the dropper full in a 12oz glass of luke wark water and chug it down. I have waited as long as 1 hour before the second dropper and DMT medium and it still worked fine. I have never used only one dropper. It may work. I was advised to use two and that was perfect for me. I always do it on an empty stomache. I never really fast, only the day of. At the end of my experience I have consumed alcohol, I just make sure it is pastureized and I wouldnt drink allot of it.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #7808912 - 12/28/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So 1 full dropper. Then 20-30 minutes later one more dropper full as well as the ~110 mg of DMT. How exactly would one go about consuming it anyway? What mediums would you suggest? Parachuting? Yikes.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7808953 - 12/28/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry for the confusion, by medium I meant the medium U used to ingest the DMT, ie in a brew, ground up in a capsule, or in crystal form.

To clarify, my ritual would be to consume 1 dropper full in a 12oz glass of luke warm water. Chug a lug a lug. I would then lie down on my bed or in the forrest and have another 12oz of water with the other dropper full by my side. When I consume the second dropper full, I also consume the DMT containing material, ie in a brew, ground up in a capsule, or in crystal form. After that it usually only takes about 20 min + or- to reach complete Psychedelic Overload.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #7808968 - 12/28/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks man. Favoriting the thread and going to check this out in a couple of months I think.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #7808972 - 12/28/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If I am doing it at night I dont eat anything all day. If you need something in your stomach to calm it down, I'd go with a portion of plain white rice.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #7809109 - 12/28/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've done about 100 mg of DMT with 7 grams of rue taken an hour before that, the experience wasn't too impressive for me, but I guess that's because I've smoked DMT before (not the same day) that and experienced the raw power of a true DMT trip, It lasted a total of about 3-4 hours, and got a little bit more intense than a threshold smoked DMT trip.
As far as comparison with the brew I can't tell you that because I've never tried the brew, but to my understanding it would be about the same. You just gotta get the dosage right, I read that instead of taking all of the DMT and syrian rue at once people take like 5 grams of rue with 70 mg of DMT, and then an hour after take another 2 grams of rue and 20 mg of DMT. The syrian rue contributes to the duration of the experience, while the amount of DMT sets the intensity. I would say that taking 50 mg or less is not enough.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7809841 - 12/29/07 06:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

A few years back I brewed 12 grams of MHRB with 3 grams of Syrian Rue together over a fire for a couple hours. That experience was definitely much more intense* than that of taking 3 grams of ground SR followed by 110 mg DMT (both in gel-caps) at about 45 minutes later. It's possible that if both are consumed at once, as in a brew, that less of the DMT is needed.

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Does it feel more "clean"?




Generally less nausea is experienced when using extracted forms of medicine, you loose the traditional purge.

My advice would be to get know how Syrian Rue or B. Caapi affect you before trying to add the DMT. Erowid has a tek by "Church" for reducing SR down to harmala that appears much more user friendly than the Manske method. Also the writer D.M. Turner has many trip reports of using four grams SR with DMT freebase.

Just to clear things up, true ayahuasca is a good dose of B. Caapi, while pharmahausca is any combination of a MAOI + DMT. The pharma had a slower, more gentle nature to it. I felt like I was transmitting harmonious vibrations to people and animals for awhile, definitely my preferred method.


*Difficult to move, lots of vomiting of diarrhea but with slightly stronger visions.


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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: schmutzen]
    #7810090 - 12/29/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

copied from bluelight

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30mg - something is happening
60mg - might get some closed eye visuals
90mg - beginning of open eye visuals
100mg - can be strong for some people.
150mg - can be fully immersively visionary for some people
200mg - a good standard strong dose equivelant to what ayahuascaroes in the Amazon give people.
250mg - a really, really good dose for anyone...the maximum people of sensitivity, low body weight would want to do.
300mg - about as strong as most people would ever want to do...
400mg - some people with a high tolerance to DMT need this (big, stocky bodyweight often)
500mg - no need to take this much...it gets too fast and potentially out of control.




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Re: DMT crystal + Syrian rue [Re: enesi]
    #7811383 - 12/29/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for posting, hadn't seen that one.  Them folks at bluelight know their stuff.  :thumbup:


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