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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7802520 - 12/26/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7802578 - 12/27/07 12:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't really think the jury's quite in on how much nature affects us versus nurture. Biologists tend to have a bias of genetic determinism because genes are what they study, and when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The ones studying the nurture side are psychologists and sociologists. But since these fields are social sciences rather than "hard" sciences, people have a bias against them.




Thats true. There has not been enough research done yet so really be sure about any of this. I do think its significant that some scientist are searching for a set of genes responsible for homosexuality and there have actually been some consistent results.

One study by a professor from the University of Illinois at Chicago found that "genetic scans showed a clustering of the same genetic pattern among the gay men on three chromosomes -- chromosomes 7, 8, and 10. These common genetic patterns were shared by 60% of the gay men in the study. This is slightly more than the 50% expected by chance alone."
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene

I realize the evidence isn't extensive enough to call it proof, but these people seem pretty certain that sexual orientation is heavily influenced by genetic factors.

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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: BoneMan]
    #7802599 - 12/27/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

60% seems kind of low for something that's supposed to be cause solely by genetics. This seems to confirm my suspicion that sexuality is too complex to reduce it to either nature or nurture. I suspect the same is true of many human behavioral patterns.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7802603 - 12/27/07 12:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I highly doubt that all certain traits are determined by genes, and all others are nurture. There has to be a big mixture. What determines them, may take a long while to figure out.

Sexuality, there could be a gene, but I highly doubt that. We just don't know, and thats the bottom line. Maybe theres certain genes that make them more feminine, and that leads to them being gay (not trying to be an asshole here, just saying, most of the gays I know are feminine.) but not a gene that just makes them outright gay.

There may be a genetic thing that can raise your chances of being gay I suppose, but a single gene that makes you gay just doesn't make sense to me.


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