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Aopocetx
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My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet)
#7800733 - 12/26/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am making this post in an effort to promote correct information concerning nightshade plants. Tropane alkaloids have a bad rap because they're deliriants and will make you see things that aren't there. If you know how to use them, however, they can reward you with some special things...
The first thing to consider is dosage. First of all, when picking a specimen for ingestion, decide on what part you're going to eat and what time you're going to pick it (might aswell pick everything you will ever eat so the plant material has the same alkaloid content). Then eat one leaf or make a tea out of it. What stands in front of you is a long time before you can determine just the right dosage (right before delirium). I have only tripped on brugmansia orally three times before I switched to smoking.
If you manage not to fall into delirium, tropanes are somewhat pleasurable (besides the dry mouth). One experience I will never forget is as follows; I lied down to sleep one night after ingesting about ten leaves and what appeared before my eyes is the ten commandments written on the stone tablets! I then saw 18 trucks welded together and much other crazy stuff.
After I achieved a non-deliriant dose I started smoking this stuff. Some species don't have alkaloids in the flowers so use the leaves. If the tropane content is high enough in your plant you can achieve effects from smoking only a couple leaves (I've actually found a red brugmansia specimen that had small crystals). This is what smoking it feels like:
I smoked a few leaves after reading about Shiva's use of this plant in meditation. When I started meditating it was unbelievably easy to enter into a trance. Everything around me turned a darker color and I felt at peace.
If you continue smoking, you will soon begin to feel 'dreams' forming in your mind. Just before the point of delirium your mind is conjuring these hallucinations and you will start zoning out similar to bud.
This stuff also potentiates bud when you smoke them together. After the leaves I started smoking a very tasty extracion that would get me to a ++ from only a bowl of material. What you have to do is dissolve a bunch of leaves in 91% or 99% rubbing alcohol for thirty minutes, strain the alcohol, and evaporate it. You will be left with a hash-like mix of chlorophyll and tropanes.
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: Aopocetx]
#7800742 - 12/26/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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huh, thanks for the info. i dont think im ready for a full on trip, but by seeing ur effects, i may smoke some of the leaves (from a neighbors brugmansia plant) with some bud.
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: Aopocetx]
#7800743 - 12/26/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ya it definitely can be used properly like most drugs and i do see true benefit to using it they government wants us 2 use it cuz they think it will detour us from using other drugs that is why i think it stays legal
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: Coaster]
#7800765 - 12/26/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coaster said: ya it definitely can be used properly like most drugs and i do see true benefit to using it they government wants us 2 use it cuz they think it will detour us from using other drugs that is why i think it stays legal
This must be the stupidest thing ive ever read.
Coaster, you amaze me.
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: marshalldylan1]
#7800774 - 12/26/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well i mean from the effects listed online, people (including me) were turned off by some of the experiences some people had.
but i'd rather have datura and the related species to be illegal before salvia or things like kratom become illegal.
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: shaftmonkey]
#7801729 - 12/26/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i had datura once. it was intense. i ate about 20 seeds and then watched tv. i had more potent and freaky hallucinations than on any acid or shrooms, not to mention the cotton mouth. i didnot get the nice body buzz i get from other stuff so i was kind of weirded out by its effects. not to say its bad, but just not my cup of tea.
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: Swan Song]
#7801777 - 12/26/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have to say its a good healing tool forsure if used right
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7802344 - 12/26/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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what you said about trances is interesting to me...
so when smoking the leaves you smoke them dried?
and as you smoke them you can feel it slowly coming on? not like it is going to surprise you?
good informative post
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: origami.octopus]
#7802410 - 12/26/07 11:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I really wonder about some of the people who post in datura threads.
Not because datura or tropanes are bad, but because the people who have never tried it think its damn near evil.
I dont recommend it to anyone because thats not my fucking job(to claim I know its value), but I have tried it a few times knowing full well what it does and what I cant understand thus far.
I could never stomach claiming how bad it is without trying it. As most peopl who react to threads like this approach the matter.
Id like to put it simply: If you dont want something very strange and non-rectreational, then dont fuck with tropanes.
Dealing with tropanes is like brain surgery. Not everyone was meant to be so careful, or meant to be a brain surgeon of alchemical proportions.
Dont fuck with it.
UNLESS.............. You are special and knowledgable about the chemical, your dose and the experience.
Something so intense is not just useless and simply deady. Something that intense is meant for only some people with their own guidence or the guidence of another who understands why such a deadly and insane substance would be used by sane people.
I love datura. I wont use it again unless in small amounts. I just thought id drop a line, because I hate the shit talking.
If you use it, know it. Like a shaman who never knew his dose. Atleast you people have the internet.
Figure out your starting dose and whether or not it is useful to you.
I dont recommend it to anyone, but thats because I know how powerful it is and would never recommend it on a site like this.
I dont recommend it because when dealing with such a substance, you need to make it your own. Work your way up to a useful platform. Dont take anyones advise.
In other words, start very fucking low especially when using datura. Tropanes come in many forms. You need to know it before you really try it, if you have a fucking useful and self serving conscience.
Dont be a fucking idiot I guess. People who try it are not idiots. People who talk about it on forums like this are often morons who just fucked way the hell up.
My 2 cents..............................
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: yageman]
#7803147 - 12/27/07 07:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So discussing drugs makes one a moron now...
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: yageman]
#7803242 - 12/27/07 08:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yageman said:
Dont be a fucking idiot I guess. People who try it are not idiots. People who talk about it on forums like this are often morons who just fucked way the hell up.
My 2 cents..............................
It seems to me that yageman was simply referring to the many uneducated posts and experiences that people write about Datura and tropanes. Don't get offended so easily. There is a lot of fear and ignorance about these because people train wreck easily after not carefully weighing the facts of dosage, experience, intent, set and setting...
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: Coaster]
#7805306 - 12/27/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coaster said: they government wants us 2 use it cuz they think it will detour us from using other drugs that is why i think it stays legal
that is probably truth.
wonder how many of these basement-shaman pyschonauts will be inspired to trip on the angels trumpet.
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: yageman]
#16206001 - 05/09/12 05:39 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im resurecting this thread due to it being one of the only threads i found that wasn't full of posts from lil snotty erowid reading ill experienced people warning us all we might die if we use datura.
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yageman said: I really wonder about some of the people who post in datura threads.
Not because datura or tropanes are bad, but because the people who have never tried it think its damn near evil.
I dont recommend it to anyone because thats not my fucking job(to claim I know its value), but I have tried it a few times knowing full well what it does and what I cant understand thus far.
I could never stomach claiming how bad it is without trying it. As most peopl who react to threads like this approach the matter.
Id like to put it simply: If you dont want something very strange and non-rectreational, then dont fuck with tropanes.
Dealing with tropanes is like brain surgery. Not everyone was meant to be so careful, or meant to be a brain surgeon of alchemical proportions.
Dont fuck with it.
UNLESS.............. You are special and knowledgable about the chemical, your dose and the experience.
Something so intense is not just useless and simply deady. Something that intense is meant for only some people with their own guidence or the guidence of another who understands why such a deadly and insane substance would be used by sane people.
I love datura. I wont use it again unless in small amounts. I just thought id drop a line, because I hate the shit talking.
If you use it, know it. Like a shaman who never knew his dose. Atleast you people have the internet.
Figure out your starting dose and whether or not it is useful to you.
I dont recommend it to anyone, but thats because I know how powerful it is and would never recommend it on a site like this.
I dont recommend it because when dealing with such a substance, you need to make it your own. Work your way up to a useful platform. Dont take anyones advise.
In other words, start very fucking low especially when using datura. Tropanes come in many forms. You need to know it before you really try it, if you have a fucking useful and self serving conscience.
Dont be a fucking idiot I guess. People who try it are not idiots. People who talk about it on forums like this are often morons who just fucked way the hell up.
My 2 cents..............................
Most post in this forum and on erowid are posted by youngsters in the early stages of experimenting with drugs, i've noticed. And this makes it fairly hard to find mass amounts of useful knowledge. Too many first timers making bad posts, and alot of the scared people are quoting other scared people and it even puts me off using it a bit. And i've used large doses everytime i've used it without ever dieing, or nearly dieing.
I'd be very interested to read some experiences shared by some older members of the shroomery, with a alot of datura tripping behind thier belt. Or perhaps, there arn't alot of datura vets frequenting this forum
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: Jdub1]
#16339401 - 06/06/12 02:17 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont know but im growing a few nice Brugmansias that are puttin out leaves like a mofo. I have a few dried leaves that i have not yet experimented w/, & also have been finishing up a careful isopropyl extraction of datura seeds (found a random datura shrub growin in a neighbor's front yard last year & ganked his seed pods). I say 'careful' cuz ive read that it can absorb thru ur skin if in a solution such as alcohol or oil. Not sure if i wanna try tha crystals that are starting to form from tha extraction til i get to kno tha tropanes better, if i do i will be placing tha crystals in a carrier oil first for better dose measurement.
might try smoking some dry brugmansia leaves, maybe a bowl or 2 at first, then wait 3 days to repeat. I respect most plants & this one seems to demand respect. Too many chickenshits out there dissin it that havent even tried it, i agree.
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: yageman]
#17373239 - 12/11/12 09:55 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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i am a regular user of brugmansia and i find it an extraordinary experience. I never go overboard by having too much i know i may not handle. I do feel people who are unfamiliar with brugmansia who have never had it but want to need to be aware there are real risks if you arent educated or experienced with it. Tropane alkaloids are a unique group of chemicals really only for the experienced and sensible.
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: Aopocetx]
#21935771 - 07/13/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have yet to use Brugmansia, but have used Datura Stramonium and Datura Inoxia many times. I usually ate the seeds plain, many times throughout my day, taking fairly substantial doses. I often stayed on the drug for weeks at doses approaching the delirium threshold. It took higher doses for me; 100 to 150 semi-mature Stramonium seeds, 85 to 140-ish Inoxia. It was hard to determine my personal dosage, as the alkaloid contents are known to vary between individual specimen. All I can say is to absolutely respect the plant. I feel that I have a connection with her/it--however you wanna refer to plants (words are weird)--and am often drawn back to her. I did at least 30+ hours of research before even trying it for the first time. I looked for it in peoples' yards and eventually happened upon it down the street from my grandmother's house. I have realized, however, that Datura interacts with my psychosis in dark, intriguing ways which I would like to avoid so that I will continue caring about life and my wife. But perhaps the Angels Trumpet can provide something else. Anyway, I am on vacation in North CA, and I got two seed pods from Golden Gate Park off of an orange/yellow Brugmansia tree. I'm curious about dosage for seeds. Anyone had personal experiences with them?
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: TeaForMea]
#23348594 - 06/15/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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My lovely coming to the full moon i respect this because it desurves it
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: Hunter hunter]
#23349482 - 06/16/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The plant is beautiful.
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Re: My use of brugmansia (Angel's Trumpet) [Re: Aopocetx]
#23354218 - 06/16/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: Old thread. Also we don't really do nightshade discussion in here any more.
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