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Russie sells air defense system to Iran
    #7800628 - 12/26/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7801025 - 12/26/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

time to dust off the old nuclear bunker...


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: afoaf]
    #7801114 - 12/26/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Good for Iran. I admire a country that will defend its people against airborne threats, especially when a vastly powerful force is showing nothing but aggression.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: Minstrel]
    #7801296 - 12/26/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yet everyone pisses and moans when WE (America) try to put up a missle defense system.

Like OMG>. how dare we try to defend ourselves???


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7801396 - 12/26/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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BrAiN said:
Yet everyone pisses and moans when WE (America) try to put up a missle defense system.

Like OMG>. how dare we try to defend ourselves???




Any country has the right to defend itself, but America, in recent history has a reputation of warmongering and unprovoked aggression.

I even think America should consider buying this Russian airborne defense system, to replace the system which proved to be such a failure during september 11, 2001.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: Minstrel]
    #7801400 - 12/26/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Telling them that if they misbehave they will be spanked is not exactly aggression. Did you have parents or were you raised by wolves?


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7802195 - 12/26/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yea but then you have to define "misbehave". Soing something that a bunch of other people don't want you to do because they don't trust you isn't exactly misbehaving.

I think your analogy is way too subjective and simplified.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7802380 - 12/26/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Telling them that if they misbehave they will be spanked is not exactly aggression. Did you have parents or were you raised by wolves?




You are inferring that Iran is USA's child. That's insanely moronic, or incredibly distressing, but I'd wager it's both. You are also likening a brutal war to a tap on the bum. Don't worry Iraq, you are just getting a spanking!
I don't think I need to point out that you are also disgracing the service of your fighting men and women by such a comparison.

Moreover, where do you get off thinking that you are the world police; that you have the responsibility to 'take care' of world problems?


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7803322 - 12/27/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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BrAiN said:
Yet everyone pisses and moans when WE (America) try to put up a missle defense system.

Like OMG>. how dare we try to defend ourselves???




no one complains when we install these things domestically.

the problem is when we install one in Russia's back yard.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7803343 - 12/27/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yet everyone pisses and moans when WE (America) try to put up a missle defense system.

Like OMG>. how dare we try to defend ourselves???




What are you referring to? When did the US put up anti-aircraft guns and people in turn started to complain?

You have to be careful about the term "defense." Anti-aircraft guns with the intent to defend against an invasion is one form of defense. Filling the sky around the globe with automatically firing nuclear warheads is another.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7803768 - 12/27/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What are you referring to? When did the US put up anti-aircraft guns and people in turn started to complain?




Have you been hiding in that cave under a rock again?


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: SoY]
    #7803937 - 12/27/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What are you referring to? When did the US put up anti-aircraft guns and people in turn started to complain?




Have you been hiding in that cave under a rock again?




What kind of an answer is that? Anyone care to pull some weight around here and tell me what Brain is referring to?


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: Minstrel]
    #7804077 - 12/27/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Good for Iran. I admire a country that will defend its people against airborne threats, especially when a vastly powerful force is showing nothing but aggression.




it wont help them at all.....(just wasted $$$$$$$$$)


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7805634 - 12/27/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yet everyone pisses and moans when WE (America) try to put up a missle defense system.

Like OMG>. how dare we try to defend ourselves???




What are you referring to? When did the US put up anti-aircraft guns and people in turn started to complain?

You have to be careful about the term "defense." Anti-aircraft guns with the intent to defend against an invasion is one form of defense. Filling the sky around the globe with automatically firing nuclear warheads is another.




Bush started implementing an anti ballstic-missle system about a year or two ago and everyone got all pissy.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7806848 - 12/28/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Just a followup. Iran claims that Russia is selling them the defense system.

Russia's response? "Huh what? What system? we're not selling Iran a system".

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318707,00.html

Hahaha Russie got busted.

Little known fact also... Russie sold TONS of more weapons to Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war than the United States did. Russia's got a bad habit of selling weapons to pretty much fuckin' anyone.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7807456 - 12/28/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's all that left over inventory from when the SU's only functional industry was weapons. And vodka. I got the vodka.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7808911 - 12/28/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not worried cuz Russia's going to have to send some blokes to install the damn system... they'll be all drunk as shit installing it to.

Iran wil press one of the buttons to shoot down a missle headed for them and instead of firing an anti balistic missle, the air conditioning will turn on.

Yea man... there was a time when even the USSR had way more nukes than the U.S. in the 80;s... I wouldn't be suprise if a few of them found their way out of the country. They got mad crazy leftover inventory.

Some people feel scared that the next big war.. we'll be agains Russia. I don't. Russie is snivelling. They're like an ex-solider that turned mercenary and tries anything to stay out of a real battle... just selling crap to whoever will buy, not looking for a fight.

Any opinion they have on whether or not we should strike or sanction a country is solely based on how much money they make off of selling arms to that country.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7809214 - 12/28/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Bush started implementing an anti ballstic-missle system about a year or two ago and everyone got all pissy.




Which system? You're not talking about the missile defense shield in Europe are you? Or are you talking about Bush's plan for a national one, which was completely incapable of shooting down anything and a total waste of many billions of dollars?

http://www.slate.com/id/2097087


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I'm not worried cuz Russia's going to have to send some blokes to install the damn system... they'll be all drunk as shit installing it to.

Iran wil press one of the buttons to shoot down a missle headed for them and instead of firing an anti balistic missle, the air conditioning will turn on.

Yea man... there was a time when even the USSR had way more nukes than the U.S. in the 80;s... I wouldn't be suprise if a few of them found their way out of the country. They got mad crazy leftover inventory.

Some people feel scared that the next big war.. we'll be agains Russia. I don't. Russie is snivelling. They're like an ex-solider that turned mercenary and tries anything to stay out of a real battle... just selling crap to whoever will buy, not looking for a fight.

Any opinion they have on whether or not we should strike or sanction a country is solely based on how much money they make off of selling arms to that country.




You're making a fool of yourself. If the US struck Russia, the US would be gone, Russia would still exist. Your assessment of who Russia will sell to and why is equally fantastical. This forum isn't titled "political themed delusions," and mouthing 100% made up egotistical national pride based crap here is pretty detracting to the integrity and value of the discussions.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7809225 - 12/28/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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BrAiN said:Yea man... there was a time when even the USSR had way more nukes than the U.S. in the 80;s... I wouldn't be suprise if a few of them found their way out of the country. They got mad crazy leftover inventory.





Funny that you forgot:

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I'm not scared... and why? Because we still have more nukes that Russie.



You'd think comments of US'ers reassuring themselves that what is going on in the world doesn't matter because their country has nukes would be completely insecurity based.

But really, Russia has vastly more nukes, and they have much better ones too - they render the proposed US missile defense shield and all US anti-missile defences useless.


The most capable US ICBM (Minuteman III / Mk-12A) has a range of 13,000 km and can carry 2-3 warheads worth 335 kT each.
The most capable Russian ICBM (RT-2UTTH / Topol M) has a range of 11,000 km and can carry 6 warheads, each worth 550 kT.


The most capable US SLBM (Trident II / Mk-5) has approximately a 7,400 km range with a yield of 6 x 475 kT
The most capable Russian SLBM (SS-NX-30 / RSM-56 / Bulava) has a 10,000 km range, and can once again carry 6 x 550 kT warheads.



The US, according to atomicforum.org, currently has 10,642 nukes stockpiled (Now 9,960 according to wiki), the number of active not being noted (5,735 according to wiki), but with only 892 deployed.
As of 2004, Russia had an estimeate 17,000 stockpiled (the exact amount is undeclared), with about 7,800 active and operational - according to Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (thebulletin.org), and 3,281 currently deployed.

US and Russian nuclear stockpiles


Should nuclear war occur, I think it's also relevant that Russia's silos are far spread across the country (some of Russia's 93 facilities are marked here), while the US' are condensed, apparently mostly in Wyoming and Montana.
Also apparently, Russia has an ongoing civilian shelter program, and their estimates for how many people they'd lose in a nuclear war is 20 million, the same as they lost in WW2.






And then there's Russia's brand new missile defence evading icbm, the RS-24: which is an upgraded Topol M, now carrying 10 independently targeted warheads.



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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7809895 - 12/29/07 07:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Or are you talking about Bush's plan for a national one, which was completely incapable of shooting down anything and a total waste of many billions of dollars?





Yup.. that's the one.. thats why I said when Bush TRIED to implement...

:smile:

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You're making a fool of yourself. If the US struck Russia, the US would be gone, Russia would still exist.




What the fuck is your problem, man? I'm just giving my opinion. Why you gotta be an asshole?


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7809941 - 12/29/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Or are you talking about Bush's plan for a national one, which was completely incapable of shooting down anything and a total waste of many billions of dollars?





Yup.. that's the one.. thats why I said when Bush TRIED to implement...

:smile:




Well that's why everyone (US' own citizenry) pissed and moaned - it was a waste of money and ineffective. That's not relateable to Iran buying defenses.

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What the fuck is your problem, man? I'm just giving my opinion. Why you gotta be an asshole?




You're ignoring the arrogance of what you wrote.
"Russie is snivelling. They're like an ex-solider that turned mercenary and tries anything to stay out of a real battle... just selling crap to whoever will buy, not looking for a fight."
Which really doesn't describe the situation.

But I glanced over your last line too quickly and misread it:
Any opinion they have on whether or not we should strike or sanction a country is solely based on how much money they make off of selling arms to that country.

I mistakenly read it as:
Any opinions on whether or not we should strike or sanction a country solely based on how much money they make off of selling arms to that country?

And how I misread it pissed me off. Recognizing the mistake I see my response was way over the top, sorry.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7809999 - 12/29/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You're making a fool of yourself. If the US struck Russia, the US would be gone, Russia would still exist.




Not a chance. The US has enough nuclear arms in foreign countries and vehicles in motion that there would be just as little left of Russia as the US.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: Redstorm]
    #7810057 - 12/29/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is why I say Russia would still exist:

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Also apparently, Russia has an ongoing civilian shelter program, and their estimates for how many people they'd lose in a nuclear war is 20 million, the same as they lost in WW2.





But that's an apparently, since I read it while researching for that post but haven't confirmed it elsewhere.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: BrAiN]
    #7810067 - 12/29/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yet everyone pisses and moans when WE (America) try to put up a missle defense system.

Like OMG>. how dare we try to defend ourselves???




Um, haven't read the posts after this yet, but maybe it has to do with America thinking its borders exist somewhere on the outskirts of Europe? :rolleyes:

Get real, dude. :lol:


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7810099 - 12/29/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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This is why I say Russia would still exist:

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Also apparently, Russia has an ongoing civilian shelter program, and their estimates for how many people they'd lose in a nuclear war is 20 million, the same as they lost in WW2.





But that's an apparently, since I read it while researching for that post but haven't confirmed it elsewhere.




Sorry about that. I missed where you posted that the first time.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7812810 - 12/30/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yet everyone pisses and moans when WE (America) try to put up a missle defense system.

Like OMG>. how dare we try to defend ourselves???




Um, haven't read the posts after this yet, but maybe it has to do with America thinking its borders exist somewhere on the outskirts of Europe? :rolleyes:

Get real, dude. :lol:




Again... we're not talking about the missle defense system in eastern EU. I'm talking about the anti ballistic missle system Bush tried to implement here in America.


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Re: Russie sells air defense system to Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7812811 - 12/30/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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And how I misread it pissed me off. Recognizing the mistake I see my response was way over the top, sorry.




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