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Crazy Wisdom (what do you know anyway) or "I had a lover's quarrel with the world".
#7800573 - 12/26/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"If Crazy wisdom knows anything, it is that we don't know. We don't know who we are, what we are, where we are , or what this life and Universe is about. We may be able to describe the world as we see it, give names to things, and even tentatively understand how some processes work, but we don't have a clue as to why things are the way they are. Or why they are at all."-Wes"Scoop"Nisker
"For what we call "nature"is free from a certain kind of scheming and self-importance. The birds and beasts indeed pursue their business of eating and breeding with the utmost devotion. But they do not justify it; they do not pretend that it serves higher ends, or that it makes a significant contribution to the progress of the world...(Humanity) stands in need of a philosophy which, like nature, has no purpose of consequence other than itself" - Alan Watts
"Man is constantly inflicted with a defect... the Moral Sense. It is the secret of his degradation. It is the quality which enables him to do wrong. Without it he could do no wrong. He would rise at once to the level of the Higher Animals." - Mark Twain
"The meaning of life is that it stops" -Franz Kafka
"What a find comedy life would be if one did not play a part in it."-Denis Dierot
"More than at any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to dispair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let is pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly" -Woody Allen
"That fear first created the gods is perhaps as true as anything so brief could be on so great a subject." -George Santayana
"The torch of doubt and chaos, this is what the sage steers by" -Chuang-Tzu
"The "true" world-- an idea which is no longer good for anything, not even obligating--an idea which has become useless and superfluous--consequently, a refuted idea: let us abolish it!(Bright day;breakfast;return of bon sensand cheerfulness;Plato's embarrassed blush; pandemonium of all the free spirits.)" -Nietzsche
"One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I don't know. Then we tried to remove the tusks, but they were embedded so firmly we couldn't budge them. Of course in Alabama the Tuskaloosa. We took some pictures of the native girls, but they were not developed. But we're going back again." -Groucho Marx
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Crazy Wisdom (what do you know anyway) or "I had a lover's quarrel with the world". [Re: Icelander]
#7803517 - 12/27/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"We cant accept that life may be nothing more than the moments between birth and death. That would be absurd! Our existence--our suffering-- must have some greater significance, and if the universe won't tell us what it is, then we will have to make something up. Enter the multitude of gods and religions. (choose any of the above) In this secular era, many old gods have been replaced with ideologies or "isms" or nation states or even life styles. -Wes Nisker
"I don't believe life has a purpose. Life is a lot of protoplasm with an urge to reproduce and continue in being. -Joseph Campbell
"There ain't no answer. There ain't going to be any answer. There never has been an answer. That's the answer"-Gertrude Stein
"There are no facts, only interpretations"-Nietzsche
"All truths are only half truths" Alfred North Whitehead
"The confusions which occupy us arise when language is like and engine idling, not when it is doing work" -Wittgenstein
"Do not take the Buddha for the ultimate. As I look at him, he is still like the hole in th privy"-Lin-Chi
"Of all mindfulness meditations. That on death is the supreme." -Buddha
"While living Be a dead man Be thoroughly dead-- And behave as you like. And all's well."-Bunan
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Crazy Wisdom (what do you know anyway) or "I had a lover's quarrel with the world". *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#7803544 - 12/27/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Crazy Wisdom (what do you know anyway) or "I had a lover's quarrel with the world". [Re: Lion]
#7807590 - 12/28/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Why are you unhappy? Because 99.9% of everything you think, and of everything you do, is for yourself, And there isn't one." -Wei Wu Wei
I'm going to dispute this.
First of all we do 100% of all actions for ourselves as this is the only way we can act. (I hope I don't have to go into this once again) Second it is not that we act on our behalf that causes unhappiness but that we really don't act on our behalf. We act unskillfully believing that something is in our best interest when in truth we are acting on programs from a culture that has decided what is in our best interest and most often is not.
See Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy from Albert Ellis
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (12/28/07 02:39 PM)
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Re: Crazy Wisdom (what do you know anyway) or "I had a lover's quarrel with the world". [Re: Icelander]
#7807595 - 12/28/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
"Why are you unhappy? Because 99.9% of everything you think, and of everything you do, is for yourself, And there isn't one." -Wei Wu Wei
I'm going to dispute this.
First of all we do 100% of all actions for ourselves as this is the only way we can act. (I hope I don't have to go into this once again) Second it is not that we act on our behalf that causes unhappiness but that we really don't act on our behalf. We act unskillfully believing that something is in our best interest when in truth we are acting on programs from a culture that has decided what is in our best interest and most often is not.
See Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy from Albert Ellis
Well, I think what you're saying is not in conflict with the quote per se. Acting unskillfully to me means acting to keep alive the false self - conditioned programs; set ways of interpreting and reacting to the world - which is what just about all of us identify with as being our true selves. Feeding the false, unconditioned self is, as you say, not in our best interest. If you're acting to uphold something that is false and by definition constraining, you will create unhappiness.
I've been meaning to look into REBT. Doesn't Ken Keyes Jr. write about that too?
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Crazy Wisdom (what do you know anyway) or "I had a lover's quarrel with the world". [Re: Lion]
#7807627 - 12/28/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Indeed Ken does and was where I first got in to it (Handbook to Higher Consciousness). His books are amazing IMO. But long ago Epictetus wrote on this subject so it isn't new, it's just ignored.
Humans in our day to day emotional self centered states with our ego structure and all of it do not have to live in states of unhappiness. The concept of having "no self" goes beyond this concept IMO, if it exists at all.
I think we have a human form because we are animals and part of a material experience that for whatever reason is happening at this moment. The point may not be to transcend it but to experience it in the best way possible. Some (few) healthy individuals seem to be perfectly content and in need of no other reality or no reality.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (12/28/07 04:13 PM)
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