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jape
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Sound and music and plants
#7799006 - 12/25/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've recently herd that music and sound increase the growth of plants from mythbusters and other. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061112195411AAjqiWi . Do you think It could improve the mushroom growth...knowing it's not a plant.
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Dephect




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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: jape]
#7799079 - 12/25/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive heard mixed answers.. I dont care though I treat my plants/fungus like my babies so I will put on some toons for them..
I made a mix called the Grow Room Jam..
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jape
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: Dephect]
#7799147 - 12/25/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very interesting and cool, thank youz!
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Dephect




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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: jape]
#7799297 - 12/25/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No problem.. I know it works for plants but I dont know about fungi
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: Dephect]
#7802733 - 12/27/07 02:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Theoretically, the bass could create some sort of resonant air flow... I remember Mythbusters showing that plants exposed to the harsh tones of death metal did the best, and that's sort of what I'm basing my theory on. In my opinion, there's no excuse not to at least try it out besides the possibility of the speakers short-circuiting somewhere or the cone rotting from condensation in the high humidity.
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: Freezestate]
#7806266 - 12/28/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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hahah Make a Slayer mix... A lil' Black Sabbath, Shadows Fall, The Haunted, Lamb of God, At The Gates... Should make for some 38 gram shrooms. Let us know how it goes, lol. Gen
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: Genesis]
#7807066 - 12/28/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Play that fungi music
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1271606,00.html When Vaclav Halek looks at mushrooms, he hears music emanating from them. Vadim Prokhorov reports
Friday July 30, 2004 The Guardian
John Cage Sound of the spores: John Cage was an expert in mycology and co-founder of the New York Mycological Society Can music and mushrooms be related? After all, they are back to back in the English dictionary. The Czech composer Vaclav Halek certainly thinks that there is a strong connection, or rather an intimate relationship, between sound and edible fungi. He has composed over 2,000 melodies which, he says, come directly from mushrooms. To be precise: "I record music that mushrooms sing to me."
They have been singing to him for nearly a quarter of a century. His first encounter with the phenomenon happened unexpectedly in 1980, when a mycologist friend of his invited him on a trip to a forest in search of rare mushrooms. "It was very dry, so for a while we could not find any mushrooms," says Halek. "Eventually we got lucky and found a type of mushroom called Tarzetta cupularis. It looked beautiful, so my friend set up his photo equipment and asked me to look through the lens to give my opinion about the picture frame. At the very moment I looked at the mushroom, I heard music."
Article continues Not believing his ears, he looked once more, and again he heard music, which appeared to emanate from the mushroom. "I heard an orchestra: harps, flutes and even a harpsichord were playing a melody."
Since then, Halek has registered the musical tradition of mushrooms in a book called The Musical Atlas of Mushrooms: How Mushrooms Sing, the first volume of which was recently published by the Prague-based company Fontana. The attractive volume contains the scores of 42 songs and is accompanied by colour photographs and a CD. The mushroom melodies also form the foundation for the composer's Second Symphony, a 30-minute work in three movements that he has entitled Mycocosmos.
Halek still explores the woods around Prague for those specimens whose music he has not yet recorded. "I believe each mushroom has a specific idea given to it," he says. "That idea is reflected in a mushroom's melody." The melodies, which last less than a minute, range from lyrically nostalgic and plaintive to playful and sprightly, from sombre to majestic, spacious and otherworldly.
Surprisingly, Halek says there is no musical difference between edible and poisonous mushrooms: the latter produce no menacing or threatening sound. Nor did any of the mushrooms sound horrified when picked up. "I often bring mushrooms home and only then listen to their music," says Halek. And, after writing down received messages, the composer admits he may end up eating the objects of his study.
Halek, 67, who graduated from the Prague Academy of Music, was not popular with the socialist government of Czechoslovakia. A devout Catholic, he could not find any permanent work, while his compositions were hardly performed. He had some success composing film and theatre music, and made a living playing the organ at a church. Now a pensioner, he lives in a small apartment in a Soviet-style complex in one of Prague's boroughs. His music remains largely unknown, although there has been progress: the music director of the Czech Philharmonic asked him for a copy of his Second Symphony, and the work was recorded in its entirety when the film director Zdenek Zaoral decided to use the music in his 1988 film Poutnici (Wayfarers).
Czech music has always been closely connected to nature. Smetana, Dvorak and Janacek often remarked on the inspiration they found in contact with the Bohemian hills, forests and rivers. This link to, and appreciation of, nature is essential to the Czech people who, during their days off, escape to the forests and woods to find tranquillity and mushrooms. The avid mushroom-pickers who encounter a strange figure prostrate on the ground, holding a pencil and manuscript paper in his hands, are startled. Yet no scepticism can erode Halek's passion for mushrooms, and his link to nature is not limited to fungi. "I hear the music of trees, flowers and minerals, and I hear the music in people's voices," he says.
Halek is not the only composer to find mushrooms fascinating. John Cage was an expert in mycology and co-founder of the New York Mycological Society. He often used the names of mushrooms in the texts of his compositions, saying that he could never keep mushrooms and music separate. "I am sure that mushrooms in dropping their spores make a sound," he once said.
"Cage believed he could hear the mushrooms in the woods," says Gary Lincoff, a former president of the North American Mycological Society, "but I think [he said it] with tongue in cheek. I think we now have the technology to record the spore dispersal, and that you can amplify the sound mushrooms make while growing, but it is nothing you would want to sit and listen to for 20 minutes.
"If Mr Halek uses extrasensory powers," continues Lincoff, "then the problem is whether other people can duplicate his experience." Is Halek's phenomenon something that reveals a hidden reality that any of us can tap into or perceive, or is it simply an individual experience?
"The first encounter Mr Halek had [with the music of mushrooms] could be a case of synaesthesia," says Peter Grossenbacher of Naropa University at Boulder, Colorado. Synaesthesia is when people experience the simultaneous blending of different senses - when one sensory experience triggers another, creating a sort of sensory fusion. Many artists were synaesthetes, including the composers Scriabin and Liszt, possibly Rimsky-Korsakov, certainly Gershwin and Messiaen; the painters Kandinsky and David Hockney; poets Rimbaud and Baudelaire and the writer Nabokov, whose entire family was synaesthetic.
"A hallmark of synaesthesia is that it is very idiosyncratic, peculiar to each person," says Grossenbacher. "So rather than tuning into some hidden reality that can be shared, they are having individual experiences." Messiaen once tried to explain his synaesthetic experience to an interviewer: "When I hear music, I see in the mind's eye colours which move with the music. This is not imagination, nor is it a psychic phenomenon. It is an inward reality."
For Halek, hearing mushrooms sing is a spiritual experience. "When I find a mushroom I want to set to music, I sit on a block of wood and put the mushroom in front of me. Then I concentrate on it and pray, because I want to understand the specific essence of that mushroom. When I feel ready, I examine it and then breathe in, smelling its body. Shortly, I can hear a motif. However, I always check if the motif corresponds to the mushroom. Only then, I write down the tune. During writing, I check if the music agrees with the mushroom. When I finish, I experience a feeling of joy, and I thank God for being able to write the music."
Cage must have felt the same. His tribute to their mystery comes in the last stanza of his 1979 poem Mushrooms:
they'll be separated froM the rest of creation and pUt in a kingdom by themSelves. all of tHis is an attempt to stRaighten Out Our understanding of these plants, which perhaps are not plants at all. so far they've Managed to remain juSt as mysterious as they ever were.
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: MYSTIQUE]
#7807068 - 12/28/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So maybe try playing Vaclav Halek for them.
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: MYSTIQUE]
#7809761 - 12/29/07 04:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, WTF? The special mythbusters did showed no difference in plants grown with loud noise vs. quiet.
There are no studies that show any real statistical difference growing plants under different forms of sound. The only real evidence ever shown was that the vibration from noises can negatively affect plant growth.
Please put this foolish myth to rest.
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: fastfred]
#7812180 - 12/29/07 11:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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fastfred Why must you believe in all this evidence.. I know for one thing my plants love some goa, sublime, kmk...
Believe child believe.. dude my plants speak to me
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: Dephect]
#7817489 - 12/31/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mythbusters is bullshit, most things on there are crap. After finding out that they said Kno3 and sugar smokebombs don't work, which I know personally that they do, i investigated more. They are liars.
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: PoisonedV]
#7823343 - 01/02/08 11:28 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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I'm sure if you have adequate evidence to overturn their ruling of "Busted", you could probably write in and possibly even get an appearance on the show. Do what most other folks do: make a video for YouTube and blog like crazy.
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: BanjoMojo]
#7824598 - 01/02/08 06:00 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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I have seen Mythbusters change their tests and retry things, sometimes to change the busted or not judgment, based on user feedback. Being wrong is significantly different then being a liar.
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: fastfred]
#7836235 - 01/05/08 04:05 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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fastfred said: Ok, WTF? The special mythbusters did showed no difference in plants grown with loud noise vs. quiet.
There are no studies that show any real statistical difference growing plants under different forms of sound. The only real evidence ever shown was that the vibration from noises can negatively affect plant growth.
Please put this foolish myth to rest.
-FF
wrong! sorry, i have no references to back myself up, i'll see what i can bring up, but in the mean time... i read a series of articles for a class last year in college talking about this. It's true that softer/nicer music like classical is more conducive to plant growth than loud/harder music like metal and such. These scientists found out that it's a function of the sound vibrations being recieved by the stoma of the plants (stoma are essentially the pores through which the plants exchange gases and water vapor). They took it further and sound mapped classical composures to the music that was less conducive to plant growth, and found that the sound maps of the music that helped the trees grow was similar, if not almost exactly in some instances, like bird calls. It ended up proving this, as well as why is happens. I thought it was really fucking interesting.
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If broken down to the basics everything in existence is energy. You as an entity, a ball of energy have a certain field of energy that transcends your body, this can effect other entities around you, because your energy is interacting with theirs. Try not to think about it as "does it work for this and that", it works for everything and anything. Plants, Fungi, Trees, People, Objects, etc. The love and energy you put out will effect others, and it's not that far out there if you just open you your mind to it. Many of us do not understand the power that we hold, the power to better our own lives ad those around us.
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fastfred
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Quote:
> Please put this foolish myth to rest.
wrong! sorry, i have no references to back myself up,...
Luckily I do have some references...
Weinberger, P. and M. Measures. 1979. Effects of the intensity of audible sound on the growth and development of Rideau winter wheat. Can. J. Bot. 57: 1036-1039. [a variety of sounds at 90 db had little effect, but plants subjected to 105-120 db showed reduced growth]
Braam, J. and R. W. Davis. 1990. Rain induced, wind-induced, and touch-induced expression of calmodulin and calmodulin-related genes in Arabidopsis. Cell 60: 357-367. [Talking Heads music at 60 db for 1 minute did not induce expression of touch-sensitive genes]
Subramanian, S. et al. 1969. A study on the effect of music on the growth and yield of paddy. Madras Agr. J. 56: 510-516. (Paddy is indifferent to daily 30-minute exposures to recorded South Indian oboe music)
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Dr. Ross E. Koning, Biology Department, Eastern Connecticut State University
Why can't I find scientific literature on musical appreciation by plants?
Plants have no ears to hear and no brain to process or develop musical taste or music appreciation...so any attempts to show relationships between music forms and growth or other responses have met with total failure in the hands of true scientists. This explains the lack of literature for you to read on the subject.
But what about those few articles and books that do make such claims?
Yes there are some quack "scientists" who have claimed that (in highly flawed experiments) certain kinds of music caused improvements in plant growth...but no such claims have met the rigor demanded for publication in respected journals. Such projects are often labeled "pseudoscience" because they fail to explain the control of critical variables, nor do they specify replication levels, nor do they show actual data or the results of statistical testing.
There really is not much good information about the effect of music on plants because all attempts to do controlled studies on plants and music result in "no difference". Any "differences" between a music treatment and a no-music control (or other-music treatment) in pseudoscience studies can almost always be attributed to some difference in other variables in the project which have not been suitably controlled (light, water, fertilizer, soil type, humidity, etc.).
So, as for the TV shows and trade-books, not all "science" is good science. Beyond seismonasty in species like Mimosa pudica described below, there are no articles on musical appreciation or musical tastes of plants in reputable science journals. Some trade books and even some educational texts and software have given projects on musical appreciation by plants more respectability than is deserved. These are good examples of "not everything you read in print is to be believed."
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Re: Sound and music and plants [Re: fastfred]
#7839119 - 01/06/08 12:39 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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This myth with plants is plain crazy IMO. But that being said, it is thought that some species of Morchella have a reaction to vibrations of trains on tracks. Stimulating the mycelium to fruit. Who knows.
Why is this in the Advanced forum?
Edited by Hotnuts (01/06/08 06:25 PM)
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