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jape
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I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no.
#7798581 - 12/25/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been serching forums all yesterday trying to figure it out...They were all inconclusive...and have round about ways of saying this and myths saying mushrooms would not be as potent or as plentiful.....
Can you use white rice for growing?
Also I would like to say, I really like the backround and features Wicked job (y)
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: jape]
#7798596 - 12/25/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why not try it, start a Grow Log, and settle it yourself!
Seems no one has ever really tried it maybe?
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: jape]
#7798599 - 12/25/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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you havent been searching enough , here is a thread that belongs to only 2 days or 3 days ago , the answer is here : http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7787935/an/0/page/0 you will see someone who did it got the fruits and the fruits were inactive , so the answer is no . http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6860386#6860386 there is another thread that ifound within 30 secs of searching but the first one is done just a week ago or so . Peace .
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: whereismymind]
#7798618 - 12/25/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So do you think that by useing white rice flour instead, mycologists could legally grow cubes becuase they are INACTIVE? I'm pretty sure that if your mushrooms don't contain Psilocybin or Psilocin they're legal, as I don't beleive they have specifically schedualed Psilocybe species right?
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: whereismymind]
#7798626 - 12/25/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, I'm going to try 2 jars white, 2 jars brown.....Man if bill Nye was here XD
Uhmm...another question...how long can a LC live fore in a syringe? My friend game me some though he said it's around a month old, Is it still good?
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: hightimesreader]
#7798627 - 12/25/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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there will still be trace amounts of actives , but which is not enough for someone tripping balls , you can read the effects from that guy's thread he said there was something , but nothing really . Peace .
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: jape]
#7798630 - 12/25/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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if you have time space and patience do it , its your choice , but why insisting on something that is not working , and believe me it has been done several times , with 15 mins of searching i can find you at least 10 times but that is your search now . Peace
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: whereismymind]
#7798642 - 12/25/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So..
So do you think that by useing white rice flour instead, mycologists could legally grow cubes becuase they are INACTIVE? I'm pretty sure that if your mushrooms don't contain Psilocybin or Psilocin they're legal, as I don't beleive they have specifically schedualed Psilocybe species right?
My point is that with such small amounts of actives, you could prove only a use of printing the mushrooms, just like hemp, where it has trace amounts of thc. This could be the mycologists defense if doing so in such a way, as you would not grow inactive mushrooms just for fun if they taste like horse shit right?
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: hightimesreader]
#7798670 - 12/25/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i dont know if amounts are important while accusing someone but they will still have it , all i know is psilocin and psilocibyn are illegal , but i don't know if there is a threshold to be able to be tested about the existence of psilocin or psilocibyn , but what i think is , since psilocin and psilocibyn are still in the substrate you will be punished for that but that is my idead don't know if it is true .
here are some quotes from the first link they also thought the same way as you did . Mango " wait a minute... white flour gives INACTIVE samples... holy crap. This could be extremely useful in cultivation of supposedly illicit specimens! This is a clearly exploitable loop hole in US law. This must be further examined. This allows experimentation free of law interference. Most people might not care or see how this could be useful... I can't believe I didn't see this before."
vedasticks "Im not quite sure of that, while they might seem inactives i would imagine that they would still have trace amounts of actives, just not enough for them to work.
Mycelium grown with brf has actives in them but generaly not enough for you to trip, not until the mushrooms grow. "
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: hightimesreader]
#7798672 - 12/25/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The white flour things has been tested and only within the last 30 days. Someone didn't have brown rice flour so they opted for white. The mushrooms had TINY and I mean SMALL little caps on great big fat stems. The person tried to eat them and he reported NO ACTIVITY what-so-ever. It has been done. Now what can be done with that is the question.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: Crake]
#7798690 - 12/25/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: Crake]
#7798788 - 12/25/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, I went to 7-11 and bought some uncle Ben's 2 minute rice (I could not find brown Rice at 7-11)...and some white rice.....I'm going to have 4 jars....1 ground white...one ground uncle Ben.....1 whole white...1 whole uncle Ben's....
And it begins.
Also since my last question was "Why does mycelium like brown rice so much?" http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7796222#7796222 I herd someone say that it was not the bran or anything...It was just that it eats...Ect....So, Could it be the bran and husk from the brown rice they like so much?
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: jape]
#7800283 - 12/26/07 07:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bran, germ, and husk, yes. The starches within the rice (the white part) are also consumed and used as energy.
WHOLE GRAINS are more nutritional than grains that have been stripped. Nutritionists don't just say that to hear themselves rattle. Different parts of the grain provide different nutrients - removing any of them lessens the value as a growing medium, if fully sized and potent mushrooms are desired.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: Sillicybin]
#7800301 - 12/26/07 07:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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White rice, and white bleached wheat flour will give poor results. This has been tried hundreds of times. If you want to do it again, suit yourself.
It isn't a case of potency. It's a case of not giving the mycelium what it wants to eat, thus the performance is poor. Experimenting is good, but re-inventing the square wheel is not good. I'd suggest using proved substrates, or look for better substrates, but not those that are already proved to be inferior. RR
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7800402 - 12/26/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree,
Try verm/dogfood. Or something that you at least aren't sure will give shitty results. Or maybe try soaking your rice in coffee? At least do something different than the 1000 or so people that have proven this method sucks ass.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: Glacier Creek]
#7800544 - 12/26/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i want to see rye flour vs BRF once and for all
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: anarchOi]
#7800923 - 12/26/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rye flour vs brf has been done many times. Performance is similar. The only real difference is that BRF doesn't require pressure cooking, but rye flour does. RR
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7801529 - 12/26/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So do you think that by useing white rice flour instead, mycologists could legally grow cubes becuase they are INACTIVE?
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This could be extremely useful in cultivation of supposedly illicit specimens! This is a clearly exploitable loop hole in US law. This must be further examined. This allows experimentation free of law interference. Most people might not care or see how this could be useful... I can't believe I didn't see this before."
First of all... why?
Secondly, while the psilocybin and psilocin are illegal, so are the mushrooms that produce those chemicals. It is illegal to grow psilocybin producing mushrooms, even if they do a poor job of it.
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Experimenting is good, but re-inventing the square wheel is not good. I'd suggest using proved substrates, or look for better substrates, but not those that are already proved to be inferior.
I agree. Why waste the time? This was just one of the dozens of threads out there about white in place of brown. You should spend the extra time finding Brown rice because of the billions of threads promoting its use.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: thedefone]
#7802159 - 12/26/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, well Oh well, I did it already, one with it ground and with it whole...and two uncle Ben's 2 minute rice...
2 questions though...How long does LC usually last?
and...How do I figure out the potency?
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: jape]
#7802174 - 12/26/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol why don't you consider my opinion when i tell you not to do and it fails and while i was giving you 2 different threads which tells you it fails , do you need rr to chime in so that you can believe it doesnt work . Peace
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: thedefone]
#7802430 - 12/26/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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thedefone said:
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So do you think that by using white rice flour instead, mycologists could legally grow cubes becuase they are INACTIVE?
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This could be extremely useful in cultivation of supposedly illicit specimens! This is a clearly exploitable loop hole in US law. This must be further examined. This allows experimentation free of law interference. Most people might not care or see how this could be useful... I can't believe I didn't see this before."
First of all... why?
Secondly, while the psilocybin and psilocin are illegal, so are the mushrooms that produce those chemicals. It is illegal to grow psilocybin producing mushrooms, even if they do a poor job of it.
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Experimenting is good, but re-inventing the square wheel is not good. I'd suggest using proved substrates, or look for better substrates, but not those that are already proved to be inferior.
I agree. Why waste the time? This was just one of the dozens of threads out there about white in place of brown. You should spend the extra time finding Brown rice because of the billions of threads promoting its use.
I've waited so long to say this to you... yes, only you who totes it like a god given power... YOU ARE WRONG.
You said this,
"Secondly, while the psilocybin and psilocin are illegal, so are the mushrooms that produce those chemicals. It is illegal to grow psilocybin producing mushrooms, even if they do a poor job of it,"
Yeah, that is wrong. Why is it, oh bestower of true knowledge that the very seed of these horrible little nasties we call shrooms are legal? They lack the illegal CHEMICALS. No illicit chems, no law broken. So, if the shrooms lack the illicit item, they are no longer illegal. Why in the world I had to break THAT down is well and beyond me... If you can reduce the amount of psilocybin and psilocin to an unmeasurable level, why couldn't you isolate it back, or BEYOND where it was to begin with. Media directly affects the levels of the illegal substances produced in these species, we now know this. Knowledge gained for the better good. Now before you go and attack something which does not fit well within your very small little worldly outlook, do us ALL a favor and say something PRODUCTIVE for a change and START THINKING BEFORE YOU TYPE.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: Crake]
#7802480 - 12/26/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not to criticize your point, because I understand what you are saying, but I have a hard time believing that you can grow cubensis that would contain absolutely no measurable amount of psilocybin. Very small amounts, sure; but I dunno about none whatsoever.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: nicechrisman]
#7802504 - 12/26/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It takes an open mind and willingness to apply oneself... This is defiantly not so haughty a task that it is impossible. The tone in your doubt tells me it is not possible for YOU, don't speak on behalf of anyone else in this matter. It can be done.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: Crake]
#7802518 - 12/26/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I apologise for my tone. I feel very defensive about this topic because it is so OPEN. It's disagreeable, outrageous and debatable. And yet I believe that through careful dedication if one so chose to accomplish this, one in fact could. Please don't sell yourselves short. OPEN YOUR MINDS!
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: nicechrisman]
#7802519 - 12/26/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess I'm not quite sure why someone would want to go to great lengths to grow cubensis with no psilocybin. Most of us grow them for the opposite reason;).
I suppose anything is possible, but I still think that any cubensis that has enough nutrients to grow, will have enough nutrients to produce at least a tiny amount of psilocybin.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: nicechrisman]
#7802534 - 12/26/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The point I'm trying to make is that a simple change in the diet here restricts the output of specific chemicals in the fungus yet still allows for growth. When the dreadful day DOES COME (because I know it IS coming) this is the only way we'll be able to still meddle LEGALLY with this species bar having to relocate ourselves with family in tow to a foreign country for the civil liberties enough to still PURSUE HAPPINESS. This is becoming harder under the good lady Liberties watch. I think it's critical that we use longevity here.

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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: whereismymind]
#7803301 - 12/27/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It doesn't carry as much nutrients....little to no nutrition using brown rice...trust me...no need to try whats already been done.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#7804049 - 12/27/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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First of all. I never said anything that wasn't true. In the references below it is clearly stated that fresh and/or dry mushrooms are considered containers of the illegal chemicals psilocybin and psilocin. I should also point out the laws in many states that ban counterfeit products when offered for sale (a judgement left to our fine courts, no doubt). For example, baking soda as cocaine, oregano as marijuana, and plain paper as blotter acid.
Wikipedia Erowid Erowid
Furthermore, I defy you to grow a cubensis mushroom or any other psilocybin genera mushroom that is completely devoid of psilocybin or psilocin. Maybe, like you said, if one so tried to accomplish this, then one in fact could. But that only brings up my first question. Why? There are plenty of other more challenging, more palatable mushrooms out there to cultivate, that growing inactive cubes (a feat generally considered failure) seems like a fool's errand. If you want to do so, go ahead. Just don't expect many to follow you.
Lastly.. While I appreciate the personal attacks, they really don't have anything to do with the advice I was giving...
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Now before you go and attack something which does not fit well within your very small little worldly outlook, do us ALL a favor and say something PRODUCTIVE for a change and START THINKING BEFORE YOU TYPE.
Aww, that was sweet. And totally unproductive. I don't sell myself short when I tell someone to use brown rice flour instead of white rice flour, or minute rice, or Uncle Ben's. BRF has a proven history of producing potent mushrooms... something I think he's shooting for. And I sure as hell don't sell myself short when I try to dissuade someone from doing something that will have a negative impact on their goal. If you want to attack me because I don't understand why in blue blazes someone would WANT to grow inactive cubes, then go ahead. If you want to criticize the advice I give, feel free... but be sure that you're right. And finally, before you accuse me of being closed-minded and having a small world-view, maybe you should take a long, hard look at yourself, and examine how you may let your beliefs, values and opinions (whatever they may be) cloud your judgement.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: Crake]
#7804395 - 12/27/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hate to tell you, but no, you are incorrect. Cubensis mushrooms themselves are illegal to grow. Regardless of potency. Yes, the spores are legal. So are prepackaged marijuana seeds. Grow either one of them, and get busted... they won't care that it is "inactive".
You, yourself, will be "inactive" for a year or two. I understand what you are trying to say, and I do see the logic behind it. However, you must comprehend what we are dealing with here... since when was the law ever affected by logic?
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: somestupidnewbie]
#7804622 - 12/27/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Until someone quotes the actual legal text that legislates this matter, the discussion will not be over and I myself at least will consider that everyone is just giving their opinions and will not believe anyone.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: Nibin]
#7804955 - 12/27/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Per Wikipedia:
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In the United States only the psychoactive compounds (see above) are scheduled under federal law.
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: Sillicybin]
#7805224 - 12/27/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You asked, I delivered...
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Hallucinogenic substances. Any material, compound, mixture or preparation which contains any quantity of the following hallucinogenic substances, their salts, isomers and salts of isomers, unless specifically excepted, whenever the existence of these salts, isomers, and salts of isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation
This is an example of the language used in Idaho's Uniform Controlled Substances Act This language, in particular, is recurrent throughout many states drug laws when dealing with the scheduling and classification of controlled substances. The states must have adopted this language in order to get their hands on federal money. Well, that quote leads me to my next reference...
Florida's Chapter 893 - Drug Abuse Prevention and Control.
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(1) USE OR POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.--It is unlawful for any person to use, or to possess with intent to use, drug paraphernalia
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(4) Testing equipment used, intended for use, or designed for use in identifying, or in analyzing the strength, effectiveness, or purity of, controlled substances.
Psilocybin can clearly be derived from mushrooms. So, even though the language from the UCSA defines the chemical itself as illegal, paraphernalia laws make the possession of your grow materials illegal and appear to make "harvesting of any species of plant which is a controlled substance or from which a controlled substance can be derived," illegal by extension.
And even if you were to attempt to grow an inert mushroom, the possession of the equipment needed to make that determination (not to mention the process needed to get there) is illegal, too.
I try to stay on topic, but sometimes...
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: whereismymind]
#7805328 - 12/27/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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hi im shroomials i posted a formal post about using white flour i have used it an test it. ur mushrooms come out funky looking somtimes an not potent there have potency in them but very little due to the fact that mushrooms need nutrients thats y we use brf it has nutrients making the mushroom potent so. it woulstill be illeagal because its still a cubensi an is still potent in a way were we can feel it but its there
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Nibin
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: thedefone]
#7806159 - 12/27/07 11:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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thedefone said: You asked, I delivered...
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Hallucinogenic substances. Any material, compound, mixture or preparation which contains any quantity of the following hallucinogenic substances, their salts, isomers and salts of isomers, unless specifically excepted, whenever the existence of these salts, isomers, and salts of isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation
This is an example of the language used in Idaho's Uniform Controlled Substances Act This language, in particular, is recurrent throughout many states drug laws when dealing with the scheduling and classification of controlled substances. The states must have adopted this language in order to get their hands on federal money. Well, that quote leads me to my next reference...
Florida's Chapter 893 - Drug Abuse Prevention and Control.
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(1) USE OR POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.--It is unlawful for any person to use, or to possess with intent to use, drug paraphernalia
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Drug paraphernalia is deemed to be contraband which shall be subject to civil forfeiture. The term includes, but is not limited to:
(1) Kits used, intended for use, or designed for use in the planting, propagating, cultivating, growing, or harvesting of any species of plant which is a controlled substance or from which a controlled substance can be derived.
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(4) Testing equipment used, intended for use, or designed for use in identifying, or in analyzing the strength, effectiveness, or purity of, controlled substances.
Psilocybin can clearly be derived from mushrooms. So, even though the language from the UCSA defines the chemical itself as illegal, paraphernalia laws make the possession of your grow materials illegal and appear to make "harvesting of any species of plant which is a controlled substance or from which a controlled substance can be derived," illegal by extension.
And even if you were to attempt to grow an inert mushroom, the possession of the equipment needed to make that determination (not to mention the process needed to get there) is illegal, too.
I try to stay on topic, but sometimes...
Since when is a mushroom a plant?
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: Nibin]
#7806695 - 12/28/07 07:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You just couldn't resist, could you?
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Re: I want to settle this once in for all...simple yes or no. [Re: jape]
#7806950 - 12/28/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: This thread has ran its course. The bottom line answer is 'No'. You can't use white rice or white flour to grow non-active mushrooms legally that you can then harvest active mushroom spore prints from. RR
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