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Captain Cubensis
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Why Crumble?
#7798517 - 12/25/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If one could birth pint rye berry jars intact, that is to say without damaging the myc, and place them tightly packed together in a container, then couldn't you achieve 3 inch colonized rye berry depth without the damage of crumbling?
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yes but why would you really care? the reason to innoc. rye or wbs is to spawn it/ case it, and thats what you would do regardless of crumbling or not. crumbling just makes alot more innoc. points in your spawn and thus lowering the colonization time.
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Captain Cubensis said: If one could birth pint rye berry jars intact, that is to say without damaging the myc, and place them tightly packed together in a container, then couldn't you achieve 3 inch colonized rye berry depth without the damage of crumbling?
are you talking about casing 2 pint jars together or just fruiting them from cakes?
If you mean to put them in a casing as 2 intact jar molds, obviously, the substrate is not even throughout. Your goal in creating casings is to make this layer the most even as possible. This is super crucial to creating dense pinsets.
but sure, it WOULD work. However, I don't advise it.
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Why Crumble? [Re: bryanbzl]
#7798558 - 12/25/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My point is that the crumbling is antagonistic to the myc, which takes several days to recover from the assault.
If you birthed the rye jars intact, with minimal damage or disturbance, wouldn't you achieve just as many inoculation points without the injury to the myc, thus speeding up the harvest?
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Captain Cubensis
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This would then serve as a bed for hpoo, or a casing layer.
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Captain Cubensis
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The substrate density would be as close to even as possible, since the jars colonized in the exact same conditions.
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the contact points of individual kernels will be of course a lot more then if they were not crumbled , but if you are asking this to fruit them straightly thats another thing , and it sounds logical to me also , if someone had shoulderless jars and colonized in those then found a container that would fit it perfect then one could just bring them out of jars and cover the top with casing , and maybe earn a few days but why hassling so much for only one or two days .
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To conserve the mileage of this thread I want to ask a couple questions... Do you mean to use RYE BERRIES still in the jar and case those? Do you mean to use RYE BERRY cakes still in the jar?
We're not all understanding your model.
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Why Crumble? [Re: Crake]
#7800633 - 12/26/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's simple really, wide mouthed jars allow the rye berries to be birthed in one piece, without having to damage the myc.
In principal it's a cake, though I am not suggesting you try to fruit a rye berry jar like a BRF cake, not at all.
A 3 gallon Rubber maid bin holds 12 pint "cakes" perfectly across the bottom, end to end top to top, 3+ inches deep.
Couldn't one just case the rye berries as is, or cover them in an inch of hpoo.
Some strains take up to a week to recover from crumbling.
Furthermore, a crumbled cake is far more likely to get contamed then an intact one straight from the jar.
Edited by Captain Cubensis (12/26/07 11:25 AM)
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If it is fully colonized before birthing they really are fairly contam resistant. At this point you need to be clean but not sterile.
You could do what you are suggesting but the reason you crumble is to spawn (as said before). The reason to spawn instead of just case is to make more. Plus I have to say, someone told me to use hpoo for larger fruits and when this was put into practice it really made a difference.
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Re: Why Crumble? [Re: mushbaby]
#7801039 - 12/26/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you are mixing the grains with a bulk sub you would need to crumble to create inoculation points.
If you are going to fruit the grains on their own, just casing them, you could do it, but as someone said above you want an even layer of substrate and casing to get good pinnings and the shape of the cakes might not allow that.
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