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    #7798338 - 12/25/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7798354 - 12/25/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Good Point, with power comes great responsibility.

Those who have power turn currupt do to power.

Seeing being believing in the power struggle.

You have a point though maybe one day soon we will have peace on earth and good will towards man. I'm thinking we build a better planet and start spending money on space travel. Before our planet goes extinct. Say before the sun dies off, or before some other catastraphic event.

Start by filling yourself with love and light and then spread it to others. Be apart of this, spread love and teach those to make love not war.

One day I will have my dream... One day..

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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7798356 - 12/25/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

because humans are barely out of the jungle, we have a long way to go. to a higher intelligence species, we are barely above the dog level


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    #7798357 - 12/25/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7798381 - 12/25/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

whenever we finally figure something out we always slap our foreheads and say "of course! it's so fucking SIMPLE!"

so why do we have to try so many methods or go at a problem from so many directions to get to the answer. maybe it's because the answer isn't there until all those paths/methods have been connected or something like that.. i think of humanity as a brain, constantly gaining new neural connections which emerge as "bonuses" in our reality.

when i look at a dog, i try and imagine all the struggling and redundancy before he reaches the intelligence of a human being.. i think, there are sooooo many things that the dog isn't aware of that he needs to be before he can even reach the most simplest things we take for granted. but we can't just hand the dog knowledge, it seems they have to experience and learn for themselves


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7798715 - 12/25/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think its more fundamental than that. Theoretically, I think we were evolved enough 2000 years ago to live in peace.

But we dont. From my understanding, we act this way for the same reason that so many people are interested in shitty art and music.

materiality, or artistic substantiality tends to overcome abstraction, regaurdless of quality.

Sensationalism.


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7799062 - 12/25/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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dr_gonz said:
I'm trying to really get a grasp on why people chose to fight and kill rather than work together towards a better planet?





Its hard to fight those who have guns with hugs :awesome:


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7799080 - 12/25/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Look at the reason why people fight. Some do it for a cause such as freedoms or oppression, some for more land or resources. What it all lies in is dominance and power.


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7799144 - 12/25/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

We fight because it's impossible to please everyone with one set of rules. There is NO one right way to live. We pretend like there is and try to get everyone to live like that and it's silly. 6.5 billion people is a LOT of people. We're never going to stop fighting.


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: freddurgan]
    #7799169 - 12/25/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is very true, and you don't even have to go to another country to see this. People have their own vision of a utopia.

I used to believe that everyone would be satisfied if they were allowed to do whatever, as long as it did not affect anyone else. You still see how people are against someones lifestyle choices, and would prefer to get rid of what they don't like.


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compassion? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7799224 - 12/25/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sadly, war has become an artificial concept for most nations - that is, if it has ever been altruistic in the first place. Most governments in the world today (at least those that are significantly influential regionally or globally) will have no reservations about using military force when it can be safely estimated as uncostly and benevolent to national interests. Wars are also almost always a conjugation of the modern nation-state, and where they are not fighting other state entities, they are genocidally trying to crush insurrections, usually brought upon by oppression in the first place, or more recently, pointless ethnic or sectarian strife. The post-Cold war continuation of NATO, the European Union and regional economic integration elsewhere are positive developments though in light of the shocking bloodshed of the 20th century. The democratic peace experiment has been a success in Europe for the most part, but for such integration to work in the developing world, the very standard of living for the impoverished everywhere must change.


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7799240 - 12/25/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm trying to really get a grasp on why people chose to fight and kill rather than work together towards a better planet?

The reason is simple: mysticism/religion.

It's at the bottom of nearly all human conflicts. When you have 100% certainty that the land you're fighting over was exclusively given to you by God, you become willing to kill and die for it.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: Diploid]
    #7799307 - 12/25/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's the other way around: god is used as an excuse for people to fight for lands, wealth & fame.
And this comes from fear, the need to have attention and to have their "qualities" acknowledged.
It's all emotional wanking :lol:


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7799358 - 12/25/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm trying to really get a grasp on why people chose to fight and kill rather than work together towards a better planet?




Because people have different ideas of a better planet. Because people have to be able to agree to work together. Because being evil in this world is like pissing in the pool; its easy for one person to do because they think its diluted by inflation. Unfortunately, so many people are pissing in the pool right now that its like swimming in a toilet.


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7799367 - 12/25/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Cultures grow. Growth leads to change, and change to disagreements (be it internally or externally). Given that the Earth yields limited resources (solar energy is necessary for any chance of peace at this point, imo), it isn't hard to see why people fight over things. Sure, you can share.. but will people ever stop skimming that little bit extra for themselves? A trucker named Sam told me once, 'you'll never get rid of greed'. I tried not to agree, but also noticed how much greed fuels our societal structure..

Are you peaceful yourself?


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: WScott]
    #7799430 - 12/25/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Peacefulness is generated by the understanding of any given situation, and the given situations are endless and they're flowing into our lives.
When understanding occurs, peacefulness installs and along with it the ability to make other pieces fit more easily.
If we decide to follow that path, a lot of our phobias and anxieties are resolved. While others occur because of the appearance of new situations. In this way, you can state that one can't fully experience peacefulness all the time. But what happens is that we create a precedent and we learn how to react.
Things that once seemed irresolvable now became opportunities for growth and turned into abilities.
I am peaceful at the thought that since I was able to UNDERSTAND certain situations, I will be able to do the same thing with the new ones. This thought creates a background feeling of peace even when I feel confused and fearsome. :mushroom2:
This life is definitely amazing. :yesnod:


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: Diploid]
    #7799877 - 12/26/07 12:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Diploid said:
I'm trying to really get a grasp on why people chose to fight and kill rather than work together towards a better planet?

The reason is simple: mysticism/religion.

It's at the bottom of nearly all human conflicts. When you have 100% certainty that the land you're fighting over was exclusively given to you by God, you become willing to kill and die for it.



Is it your opinion that if we removed religion and mysticism(two different things, btw) but left all other human characteristics the same that there would be no more violence?


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: Silversoul]
    #7799888 - 12/26/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's my opinion that if the world were free of religion and mysticism, there wouldn't be any suicide bombers. :shrug:


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: Silversoul]
    #7799889 - 12/26/07 12:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Why does the primal instinct of war and territorialism overcome the instinct of care and compass [Re: Diploid]
    #7799896 - 12/26/07 12:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It's my opinion that if the world were free of religion and mysticism, there wouldn't be any suicide bombers. :shrug:




And crepes with the image of Jesus would be able to live out their normal life function...


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