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danlennon3
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syrian rue or caapi?
#7797392 - 12/25/07 03:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would like to hear your opinions on MAOI's... Does it make a difference which plant you use? which one is easier on the stomach? which plant do you like better?
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: danlennon3]
#7797452 - 12/25/07 04:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I say caapi...just because it is traditional and seems to have a friendly personality, from my experience.
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: MOTH]
#7797826 - 12/25/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ive only tried rue and it was an awful experience next time ima do caapi
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: Coaster]
#7797843 - 12/25/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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whats the difference between white and yellow caapi
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: danlennon3]
#7798374 - 12/25/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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danlennon3
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#7798386 - 12/25/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's a huge difference in the price, But I don't mind spending the extra money for the caapi if its noticeably better
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: danlennon3]
#7798577 - 12/25/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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honestly i say use both but caapi if your only getting one
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: soulcircus]
#7800009 - 12/26/07 02:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tried cappi once and it actually didnt work. Thats never happened to me with rue so i just use that. You really dont need much of it though. Maybe people dont like rue because they use too much.
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: danlennon3]
#7800058 - 12/26/07 03:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe syrian rue has more harmaline than harmine, and therefore should give a nicer experience. It's always worked fine, in my experience, but if you care about drinking the "Traditional" brew, go with caapi.
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: EllisDSox]
#7801704 - 12/26/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah an issuse is people use way to much rue and im getting sick of saying 1-3g infact .25g has been known to work
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: danlennon3]
#7803106 - 12/27/07 07:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Caapi and rue are not 'interchangeable.' They have completely different chemical spectrums.
Both plants are very powerful teachers, and should be respected.
The traditional brews call for ayahuasca vine (caapi) as it grows where they do. Syrian rue does not seem to have much of a tradition of use as a hallucinogen, but we all know it can easily be done.
Rue is much more potent by weight, and also carries some toxicology issues (it is unlikely you could overdose on caapi, but with rue it's quite possible). Rue to me seems like a bit of a harsher teacher.
Banisteriopsis contains tetra hydro harmaline, which rue does not. THH is a beta carboline closely resembling natural neurotransmitters. This, to many, makes caapi the superior choice.
It is at least a widely held suspicion that caapi is the more useful and wiser plant, although it has a tendency (at least in modern brews) to often fall short of the psychedelic power easily accessed with syrian rue.
It could be argued that caapi lets you into the psychedelic realms only when you are ready, and in those instances it is deeper and more profound than you would usually experience. Rue merely takes your chemical word for it and sends you to hyperspace.
I would go with caapi, just make sure there's a lot on hand.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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caapi is better for mixing with cactus for sure as well as passion flower. I find the differnace betweeen using rue and caapi is like gyms compared to cubes
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: danlennon3]
#7808031 - 12/28/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find Syrian Rue to be more efficient and consistant in dosing, that being said I recconmend you use the product pictured below-

it is a 5x Harmaline Tincture that can be purchased on the internet just as easy as Capi or Rue. This stuff works every time for me. I do one full dropper and then another full dropper about :30 min later with my DMT containing material. That stuff never fails. It is also reasonably priced If I remember correctly its about $15 bucks a bottle. The stuff doesnt bother my stomach at all. Below is a link to where you can purchase it- Harmaline Tincture This is the no hassle potentiation potion.
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danlennon3
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would grinding up the Rue seeds and putting them in capsules be a good idea? or would that be a crap load of capsules?
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I thought that cacti contain tyramine, which would make cacti a bad choice for combining with an MAOI containing plant.
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: iBruiseBlue]
#7826060 - 01/03/08 12:25 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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if you silly enough to say that tryramine being in cactus and that it wouldnt be ok to combined with it ... obviously your not a skilled brewer or that EXPed in the stuff. No offense
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Are you saying there should be no concern for taking a tryramine filled cactus while on a powerful MAOI?
I think iBruiseblue has got it right being cautious, although I have taken this combo before with no ill effects.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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thats the point yes there is a need for caution but if you taking that much cactus containing tryramine that also contains mescaline and other drugs you have far far things to worry about then just the tryramine, cause but at that kinda dose unless yours is super high in tryamine for somereason will leave you in a really dissconnected state from the world. the Maoi action with the psychedelics i would be really worried about specially if you body isnt purging i know someone that improperly mixed the to bad porpotions with powerful exracts resulting in massive painful vomiting leaving their bodies in tact. but i do know that would of ruined their minds at that does in the sense that they most likely would of died from walking some where they shouldnt rather then a physical OD
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Re: syrian rue or caapi? [Re: danlennon3]
#7827551 - 01/03/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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If anyonewants to trade RUE and MHRB for something - I have a thread in market place.
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