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Excuses for a Search Warrant
    #7797002 - 12/24/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

...let's pretend that i grow hallucinogenic mushrooms in this thread, even though i dont...

im currently taking a break from growing mushrooms and i was wondering what kind of excuses i could come up with if the police obtained a search warrant for where i live.

first is the tool box...







contains: plastic grow containers each with 2 half pint jars inside with holes in the lids, wire racks(used for sterilization without a pressure cooker), many spore syringes with of course cubensis spores inside of them, latex gloves, spray bottle, handheld fan, alcohol swabs, flashlight, thermometers, and ph test strips.

excuse: i grew legal mushrooms for a while and made spore prints. i wanted to compare the spores of these mushrooms to the spores that cubensis have. i was planning on buying a microscope but never got around to it.

questions: would this be a valid excuse? what kind of legal mushroom could i say that i grew(has to be grown the same way cubensis are)?

next is the bag...



contains: vermiculite, small tub-aware container with fan attached to top(used for air drying mushrooms), 2 half pint jars with holes in lid, pint jar, and glass cups. it will eventually contain a empty desiccant chamber as well.

excuse: the jars and vermiculite were used for the mushroom growing i did. the tub-aware container and desiccant chamber were used for drying out flowers.

will these excuses work well?

last year, a bunch of busts went down right after new years and i didn't really need any more shrooms. here's some of what i have...this is about 35 grams of Gold Teachers...



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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7797012 - 12/24/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If they found all that you could claim you were growing edibles like Oyster mushrooms until they actually check the spores


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7797018 - 12/24/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, it could be construed that you were going to grow illegal mushrooms if the cop knew his/her shit, but most don't. As long as you kept it cool, you shouldn't have too much to worry about, unless you think you got snitched on.


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #7797030 - 12/24/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If they found all that you could claim you were growing edibles like Oyster mushrooms until they actually check the spores




but the spores are legal to have in Oregon. they could try to charge me with conspiracy to manufacture but what about all my good excuses?

can oyster mushrooms be grown from brown rice flour/vermiculite using half pint jars? they have spores right?


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7797039 - 12/24/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Probably, check the edibles forum


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    #7797051 - 12/24/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7797053 - 12/24/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Gastronomicus said:
If they found all that you could claim you were growing edibles like Oyster mushrooms until they actually check the spores




but the spores are legal to have in Oregon. they could try to charge me with conspiracy to manufacture but what about all my good excuses?

can oyster mushrooms be grown from brown rice flour/vermiculite using half pint jars? they have spores right?


Yes they can ,im thinking about growing out doors for this reason ,not like i have to worry the shrooms will never set foot out my door there for me an my girl if i want to grow that is ?


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: ploop]
    #7797063 - 12/24/07 11:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Any reasons for the police to obtain a search warrant?





:rolleyes:

my brother told some people that told some people that came up and casually talked to me about it.  i know they know some square bears that aren't to fond of my carefree attitude.

would i have a chance of winning in court?  what if they found a couple of ounces of dried shrooms?  im pretty sure possession of shrooms in Oregon is a felony...but im concerned about the class A manufacture felony more than anything.


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7797106 - 12/25/07 12:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If they find the shrooms then you're fucked. If they find the shrooms and the tool box and put two and two together then you're really really fucked


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    #7797112 - 12/25/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #7797117 - 12/25/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Grind up your shrooms and put them in spice containers.

Even if someone thought they were spices and used them in cooking, they wouldn't use enough to notice any effects - just think that the spice sucked.


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: ploop]
    #7797124 - 12/25/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If they find the shrooms then you're fucked. If they find the shrooms and the tool box and put two and two together then you're really really fucked




how could they prove it though? it would be impossible for the to actually PROVE that i did ACTUALLY grow the shrooms. sure, it would look like it and they would basically know, but they still wouldn't be able to prove it.

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well they would need more proof to obtain a search warrant to your house than what someone said. generally they'll supply their informant with money, drop him off somewhere near the house, watch him go in, watch him come out with the bag, than make a statement about it etc.




i never sell from my house. i never really even sell them anyways. every once in a while ill trade some to a marijuana grower for shrooms, and then there's maybe 2-3 people that i sell to seldomly. definitely not a dealer...but i have been asked many many times and i just play dumb.


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7797186 - 12/25/07 12:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If it went that far, you should let your lawyer tell you what to say. Otherwise don't say shit, period.


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7797201 - 12/25/07 12:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I would run with the flowers bit.

Say that the production lineup you have there is for isolating and cloning plants, then drying flowers and want not. add a backstop to your story by buying a field guide to flowers or plants in your area, and place some discarded plant matter in your bag.

The syringes are for extracting native spores or bacteria that grow on your plants of interest, and you maintain them as a record of a plant's native ecosystem. The fact that they're cubensis is merely a coincidence.

A court would have to prosecute you beyond a reasonable doubt, no?

Grow some seedlings out of half-pint jars, just to wrap the whole tidy lie up.


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: Crasher]
    #7797702 - 12/25/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I would run with the flowers bit.

Say that the production lineup you have there is for isolating and cloning plants, then drying flowers and want not. add a backstop to your story by buying a field guide to flowers or plants in your area, and place some discarded plant matter in your bag.

The syringes are for extracting native spores or bacteria that grow on your plants of interest, and you maintain them as a record of a plant's native ecosystem. The fact that they're cubensis is merely a coincidence.

A court would have to prosecute you beyond a reasonable doubt, no?

Grow some seedlings out of half-pint jars, just to wrap the whole tidy lie up.




ohhh, i like this.

what if someone went out and randomly took spore prints of mushrooms so that they could grow them indoors and they just happened to round up some hallucinogenic ones...would they still get in trouble if they grew them and had no idea?

how big of a difference is manufacture and conspiracy to manufacture?

why is growing mushrooms even illegal in Oregon? it is illegal here, right?


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: Crasher]
    #7797745 - 12/25/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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A court would have to prosecute you beyond a reasonable doubt, no?




reasonable doubt to a jury cold be possession of substrate and spores, substrate being
whole grains, WBS or brown rice, all of which could be in your cupboard, there've been
several convictions for 'conspiracy' in regard to bomb making, imagine for a minute that
you're a plumber and a shooting enthusiast/hunter, simply the possession of black iron
pipe and gunpowder is a federal charge

what would you construe as reasonable doubt? to most posession of spores, jars and flour
would qualify and conspiracy to manufacture as you've assembled the making of a drug lab


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7797751 - 12/25/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Firewolf127 said:
A court would have to prosecute you beyond a reasonable doubt, no?




reasonable doubt to a jury cold be possession of substrate and spores, substrate being
whole grains, WBS or brown rice, all of which could be in your cupboard, there've been
several convictions for 'conspiracy' in regard to bomb making, imagine for a minute that
you're a plumber and a shooting enthusiast/hunter, simply the possession of black iron
pipe and gunpowder is a federal charge

what would you construe as reasonable doubt? to most posession of spores, jars and flour
would qualify and conspiracy to manufacture as you've assembled the making of a drug lab




so are you saying that i would most likely end up guilty for conspiracy? i know it's all up to the jury, but what do you think.

how big of a difference is conspiracy and manufacture as far as charges/punishment goes?


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7797781 - 12/25/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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what if someone went out and randomly took spore prints of mushrooms so that they could grow them indoors and they just happened to round up some hallucinogenic ones




possession of a controlled substance
possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute (depends on quantity on hand)
intent to manufacture controlled substance
possession of the tools to commit a crime

the last one seems retarded but I had a friend charged with possession of tools for
burglary because he had a some construction tools in his work truck, if they find a few
galerinas or deadly plants/seeds like castor beans in your posession and learn you have
a grudge agains someone you could even be charged with conspiracy to commit murder
the castor beens could even get you a domestic terrorism charge


think very carefully about what you do and dont tell your brother shit, you wouldnt have
to worry about this if it wasnt for him... punch his nose and tellhim 'shaddap foo'


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7797800 - 12/25/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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so are you saying that i would most likely end up guilty for conspiracy? i know it's all up to the jury, but what do you think.




I think if you find a trusted friend, one you know can keep secrets, have him hold your
shit for a few months, wont matter what they have, there will be no evidence to collect,
no additional charges of false information to a peace officer...

ever notice they stack charges for the same offense? that way theres little chance they wont get a conviction.

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how big of a difference is conspiracy and manufacture as far as charges/punishment goes?




conspiracy usually is dropped by the feds, if you do fed time you get no parole.


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Re: Excuses for a Search Warrant [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7799362 - 12/25/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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possession of a controlled substance
possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute (depends on quantity on hand)
intent to manufacture controlled substance
possession of the tools to commit a crime




would you by any chance know how serious of a thing this would be or how much trouble i would get into? i have never had any problems with the law, i've only gone 2 weeks without working since age 17(im 23 now), and i would get a lawyer.


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