|
bodynotdead
TrichodermaCultivator



Registered: 05/10/07
Posts: 271
Loc: U.S.A
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
|
Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco
#7796370 - 12/24/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Cannabis smoke 'has more toxins'
 Inhaled cannabis smoke has more harmful toxins than tobacco, scientists have discovered.
The Canadian government research found 20 times as much ammonia, a chemical linked to cancer, New Scientist said.
The Health Canada team also found five times as much hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen oxides, which are linked to heart and lung damage respectively.
But tobacco smoke contained more of a toxin linked to infertility. Experts said users must be aware of the risks.
About a quarter of the population in the UK smokes tobacco products, while a sixth of 15 to 34-year-olds have tried cannabis in the past year, making it the most commonly used drug.
Quote:
The confirmation of the presence of known carcinogens and other chemicals implicated is important information for public health
However, it has also been acknowledged that the average tobacco user smokes more than a cannabis user.
Researchers from Health Canada, the government's health research department, used a smoking machine to analyse the composition of the inhaled smoke for nearly 20 harmful chemicals.
They also looked at the sidestream smoke, given off from the burning tip of the product and responsible for 85% of the smoked inhaled through passive smoking.
Concentrations
In most cases, the comparison on sidestream smoke broadly mirrored that of inhaled smoke.
However, in the case of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, the toxin linked to infertility, the researchers found concentrations were actually higher in cigarette smoke.
The study also showed little difference in the concentrations of a range of chemicals, including chromium, nickel, arsenic and selenium.
Lead researcher David Moir said: "The consumption of marijuana through smoking remains a reality and among the young seems to be increasing.
"The confirmation of the presence of known carcinogens and other chemical is important information for public health."
Dr Richard Russell, a specialist at the Windsor Chest Clinic, said: "The health impact of cannabis is often over-looked amid the legal debate.
"Evidence shows it is multiplied when it is cannabis compared to tobacco.
"Tobacco from manufacturers has been enhanced and cleaned whereas cannabis is relatively unprocessed and therefore is a much dirtier product.
"These findings do not surprise me. The toxins from cannabis smoke cause lung inflammation, lung damage and cancer."
Stephen Spiro, of the British Lung Foundation, added the findings were "a great worry".
-------------------- "absolute power corrupts absolutely". Lord Acton,
|
Crake
Stranger


Registered: 12/04/07
Posts: 194
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: bodynotdead]
#7796377 - 12/24/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I need links to the sources... I don't trust the "scientists" interests. Perhaps they were bought off, just like most scientists who's reports are publicly made a stink of. RJ Reynolds may have a hand and a dick in this.
-------------------- MANGO Snowman wakes before dawn. He lies unmoving, listening to the tide coming in, wave after wave sloshing over the various barricades, wish-wash, wish-wash, the rhythm of heartbeat. He would so like to believe he is still asleep.
|
Crake
Stranger


Registered: 12/04/07
Posts: 194
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Crake]
#7796385 - 12/24/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
PS- Damn near EVERYTHING we put into our bodies has some side effect. The choice to use should be considered after every health aspect is weighed out ( so UNLIKE the use of tobacco, why even use it?)... everything comes at a cost.
-------------------- MANGO Snowman wakes before dawn. He lies unmoving, listening to the tide coming in, wave after wave sloshing over the various barricades, wish-wash, wish-wash, the rhythm of heartbeat. He would so like to believe he is still asleep.
|
johnm214



Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Crake]
#7796388 - 12/24/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Mods, lets not close this as its a new article, k? The study was covered earlier, but this is a new interpretation w/ new quotes.
From my other post:
Study text: http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/sample.cgi/crtoec/asap/html/tx700275p.html
=-=== And not surprisingly, it is not the study in this instance that demonizes marijuana, its the selective news report.
"A comparison of the PAHs in mainstream smoke showed that levels from marijuana were lower than those from tobacco, although the pattern of content was very similar. The only exception was dibenz(a,h)anthracene, which was slightly elevated in marijuana under ISO conditions. Under high temperatures and reduced oxygen, tobacco can undergo a pyrolysis process in which free radical formation is enhanced (34), which increases PAH formation. Nitrogen oxides can act as free radical scavengers and can lower PAH formation from pyrolysis (37), and the presence of higher levels of nitrate may therefore lower PAH formation. However, in a study examining the levels of 14 PAHs in commercial tobacco cigarettes, no correlation could be found between nitrate levels and PAH content in the smoke (38). The authors concluded that many factors affect the ultimate concentration of PAHs in mainstream smoke.
The sidestream smoke tells a different story from the mainstream, with marijuana showing greater yields of a number of PAHs than those from tobacco. The differences seem to be more pronounced for the lower molecular weight substances as shown in Figures 1 and "
Mainstream inhalation of marijuana therefore produces less polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) than tobacco, except for the anthracene, which is mildly elevated. PAH's are largely suspected or confirmed carcinogens. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycyclic_aromatic_hydrocarbon

PAH ratio marijuana/tobacco w/ mainstream smoke
And, for anybody interested, go to Table 3, and check out the VAST difference in heavy metals between the marijuana and tobacco. Mercury, for instance, was of a magnitude of 3.17 ± 0.32 in tobacco, whereas in marijuana it was below the detectable limit of 1.10.
So its not like there wasn't great news for marijuana as compared to tobacco available commercially. The news article just focused on Ammonia, for some reason. Why? My guess is they wanted to show something bad.
Though Ammonia is a respiratory toxin, I'm not aware of permanent effects as long as you don't go cyanotic, in which case you wouldn't be smoking anything.
=====
Additionally, the study made no determination as to the comparitive safety. It specifically discounted drawing any conclusions based upon quantitative analysis, for the reason mentioned earlier, that growing conditions vastly change individual samples. That said, the only analytes higher in the marijuana were the nitrogenous compounds, which likely was a result of the marijuana grown.
From the conclusions section:
"The combustion of any plant material will result in a complex mixture of chemicals, the composition and percentages of which depend on a large number of variables. The present study supports previous research (16, 20) and found that marijuana smoke contains qualitatively many of the same chemicals as tobacco smoke. This qualitative similarity is more important when assessing the risks for adverse outcomes than are the differences in level of a particular substance, which can change from sample to sample or from one smoking condition to another. That being said, on a quantitative basis, a number of chemicals were present in marijuana smoke at levels that were substantially higher than in tobacco smoke. For example, NO, NOx, hydrogen cyanide, and aromatic amines were present in marijuana smoke at levels 3−5 times higher than in mainstream tobacco smoke, while ammonia was present at levels 20 times higher than tobacco. Conversely, some compounds such as PAHs, formaldehyde, and acetaldehyde were found at moderately higher levels in tobacco."
So the paper didn't determine marijuana was more dangerous. And indeed it seems less so, considering the much smaller quantities smoked, unless you have such low respiratory reserve that the nitrogenous compounds would effect you substantially..
But anyone curious in finding out about the manner in which the marijuana was grown, can contact the company listed in the materials and methods section.
|
bodynotdead
TrichodermaCultivator



Registered: 05/10/07
Posts: 271
Loc: U.S.A
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: johnm214]
#7796404 - 12/24/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
-------------------- "absolute power corrupts absolutely". Lord Acton,
|
LSDaytripper
Believer


Registered: 08/04/07
Posts: 649
Loc: Ohio
Last seen: 11 months, 7 days
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: bodynotdead]
#7796416 - 12/24/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
It still doesn't change the fact that there have been no reported cases of cancer from smoking marijuana, and no reported deaths solely from marijuana use.
-------------------- ***** (10:42:46 PM): This is so strange ***** (10:42:53 PM): Becuase I feel that I am very altered ***** (10:42:57 PM): But at the same exact time ***** (10:43:28 PM): I am closer to the real me, the real me who decides who I am, the entire me
|
Siekoaktiv
version 2.0



Registered: 03/18/07
Posts: 1,337
Last seen: 13 years, 6 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LSDaytripper]
#7796429 - 12/24/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Yeah... and even if there were... I really don't fucking care... I love weed too much to ever give it up.
-------------------- I'm in need of a sterile sporeprint, if anyone wants to do a trade for some seeds or something, or maybe just for free if you have a lot of them............. i'd really appreciate it NuggetPorch said - "YES! YES!!!! Coaster its Faint, but its fucking there YOU see it!!! Perhaps we are both on some sort of unusual wave length associated with unusual neuro-transmitters, mind expansion white light, or something we can not even begin to understand or fathom to conceive because it is a gift of insight or a curse given to us by powers beyond our control, something we are not meant to know."
|
ewikk055
token lurker.



Registered: 12/03/07
Posts: 241
Last seen: 5 years, 5 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#7796445 - 12/24/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
thats an ugly looking roach.
-------------------- whatever you interpret from my posts may/may not be fictional.
|
wikedferret
free man



Registered: 04/08/07
Posts: 487
Loc: wiked wonderland
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: ewikk055]
#7796609 - 12/24/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
i think i smell bullshit. for some odd reason i dont believe a damn word of this. i hate stupid shit like this i love pot and pot loves me legalize love!
-------------------- lol i just lied to whoever was reading that.....
|
LayYouIn
Taurus



Registered: 09/28/06
Posts: 4,402
Loc: Organ
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: bodynotdead]
#7796810 - 12/24/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
lol, look at all these pot heads not being able to face the truth, how funny!
why not just say "it's unhealthy for me, but im going to do it anyways"?
|
pbskl
Stranger
Registered: 12/23/07
Posts: 3
Last seen: 13 years, 5 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Crake]
#7796938 - 12/24/07 10:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Crake said: PS- Damn near EVERYTHING we put into our bodies has some side effect. The choice to use should be considered after every health aspect is weighed out ( so UNLIKE the use of tobacco, why even use it?)... everything comes at a cost.
Actually, tobacco is yet another product that's use can and should be determined after the individual has weighed out health consequences, among various benefits such as taste, amplification of the effects of THC, and one hell of a relaxation/anti-anxiety experience. Read: Tobacco is fucking awesome.
|
rope

Registered: 08/17/06
Posts: 309
Last seen: 6 months, 7 days
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: pbskl]
#7796996 - 12/24/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Tobacco from manufacturers has been enhanced and cleaned whereas cannabis is relatively unprocessed and therefore is a much dirtier product.
I find this hard to beleive. I remember reading somewhere that the carcinogen levels in cigarettes have risen steadily over the past few years. I can only imagine the type of "cleaners" they use. And with a reliable source for weed, you only get nice "unprocessed" herb. Which i always thought was a good thing, but propaganda tells me otherwise, so i may be wrong...Haha. I love propaganda, gives me a good laugh every now and then, almost as good as Garfeild.
|
2FiNiTe
ConsideratlyKilling Me



Registered: 06/12/06
Posts: 1,635
Loc: New England
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: bodynotdead]
#7798011 - 12/25/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
What testing methods were used? Tobacco companies and Tobacco friendly groups have been rigging the testing methods in their favor since the machines have existed. Why should this be considered any different? Again big tobacco says nothing of the countless studies that show the opposite.
I think this to be nothing more than pro-tobacco propaganda. Along with valuable lesson in pseudoscience.
-------------------- "Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war that we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living." General Omar N. Bradley
Edited by 2FiNiTe (12/25/07 11:22 AM)
|
ExplosiveMango
HallucinogenusDigitallus


Registered: 07/12/05
Posts: 3,222
Last seen: 14 years, 2 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: bodynotdead]
#7798948 - 12/25/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
bodynotdead said: About a quarter of the population in the UK smokes tobacco products, while a sixth of 15 to 34-year-olds have tried cannabis in the past year, making it the most commonly used drug.
Ummm... wouldn't that make tobacco the most widely used drug? (from the information provided in that sentence alone. The actual most widely used drug would like be caffeine)
-------------------- Know your self. Know your substance. Know your source. The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.
|
ashfiken
TotalCrazyasshole

Registered: 09/06/06
Posts: 3,072
Loc: SCranton
Last seen: 12 hours, 25 minutes
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#7800240 - 12/26/07 07:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
2FiNiTe said: What testing methods were used? Tobacco companies and Tobacco friendly groups have been rigging the testing methods in their favor since the machines have existed. Why should this be considered any different? Again big tobacco says nothing of the countless studies that show the opposite.
I think this to be nothing more than pro-tobacco propaganda. Along with valuable lesson in pseudoscience.
FINALLY some level headed thinking. YES weed is bad for us in some ways. But more importantly think about the aspects of the legalization of marijuana. How many times have you heard commercials and shit of how tobacco companies since the beginning of time have used not necessarily legit and moral means in order to sell their product. They are most probably putting shit out their like this to shun the legalization of mj being that they are one of the biggest industries that has something to lose if this takes place. Bravo 2finate finally i find someone with a little goddamn sense.
-------------------- hmm... "I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked." "life isn't worth living without the threat of death" "I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be" "nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters" My Trade List
Edited by ashfiken (12/26/07 07:18 AM)
|
johnm214



Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: ashfiken]
#7800407 - 12/26/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
wtf are you guys talking about?
READ the fucking study before concluding its flawed, biased, or sabotaged.
Apparently you skipped my post above where I quote the studies findings that no determination can be made, that marijuana has far less quantities of heavy metals, and slightly less of almost all carcinogens tested for, even on a mass basis
|
johnm214



Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#7800422 - 12/26/07 09:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
2FiNiTe said: What testing methods were used? Tobacco companies and Tobacco friendly groups have been rigging the testing methods in their favor since the machines have existed. Why should this be considered any different? Again big tobacco says nothing of the countless studies that show the opposite.
I think this to be nothing more than pro-tobacco propaganda. Along with valuable lesson in pseudoscience.
wtf are you talking about? A link to the study was posted, the smoking materials were measured in the same ways, find the bias, or stfu.
You may impress the "dude science is totally not cool, man" crowd, but untill you find some evidence to back up your speculation no rational mind will care.
If you'd read the study, you'll find marijuana doesn't have 20 times the toxin level of ciggerettes as per this study, and even if it was determined to be so, the study said variations in growing conditions and samples mean this one-source of tobacco and one source of marijuana can not be extrapolated to every tobacco and marijuana crop in the world.
READ mothafucka
|
Chi Ro
Jive Ass Turkey


Registered: 09/22/07
Posts: 211
Loc: Right hurr!
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: johnm214]
#7800439 - 12/26/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
"Tobacco from manufacturers has been enhanced and cleaned whereas cannabis is relatively unprocessed and therefore is a much dirtier product."
What do they mean by "enhanced"?
Quote:
The 600 or so "enhancements": * Acetanisole * Acetic Acid * Acetoin * Acetophenone * 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane * 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine * 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran * Acetylpyrazine * 2-Acetylpyridine * 3-Acetylpyridine * 2-Acetylthiazole * Aconitic Acid * dl-Alanine * Alfalfa Extract * Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil * Allyl Hexanoate * Allyl Ionone * Almond Bitter Oil * Ambergris Tincture * Ammonia * Ammonium Bicarbonate * Ammonium Hydroxide * Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic * Ammonium Sulfide * Amyl Alcohol * Amyl Butyrate * Amyl Formate * Amyl Octanoate * alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde * Amyris Oil * trans-Anethole * Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil * Anise * Anise Star, Extract and Oils * Anisyl Acetate * Anisyl Alcohol * Anisyl Formate * Anisyl Phenylacetate * Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins * Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate * 1-Arginine * Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil * Ascorbic Acid * 1-Asparagine Monohydrate * 1-Aspartic Acid * Balsam Peru and Oil * Basil Oil * Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil * Beeswax White * Beet Juice Concentrate * Benzaldehyde * Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal * Benzoic Acid, Benzoin * Benzoin Resin * Benzophenone * Benzyl Alcohol * Benzyl Benzoate * Benzyl Butyrate * Benzyl Cinnamate * Benzyl Propionate * Benzyl Salicylate * Bergamot Oil * Bisabolene * Black Currant Buds Absolute * Borneol * Bornyl Acetate * Buchu Leaf Oil * 1,3-Butanediol * 2,3-Butanedione * 1-Butanol * 2-Butanone * 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One * Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil * Butyl Acetate * Butyl Butyrate * Butyl Butyryl Lactate * Butyl Isovalerate * Butyl Phenylacetate * Butyl Undecylenate * 3-Butylidenephthalide * Butyric Acid] * Cadinene * Caffeine * Calcium Carbonate * Camphene * Cananga Oil * Capsicum Oleoresin * Caramel Color * Caraway Oil * Carbon Dioxide * Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder * Carob Bean and Extract * beta-Carotene * Carrot Oil * Carvacrol * 4-Carvomenthenol * 1-Carvone * beta-Caryophyllene * beta-Caryophyllene Oxide * Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract * Cassia Bark Oil * Cassie Absolute and Oil * Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute * Cedar Leaf Oil * Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana * Cedrol * Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin * Cellulose Fiber * Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract * Chicory Extract * Chocolate * Cinnamaldehyde * Cinnamic Acid * Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract * Cinnamyl Acetate * Cinnamyl Alcohol * Cinnamyl Cinnamate * Cinnamyl Isovalerate * Cinnamyl Propionate * Citral * Citric Acid * Citronella Oil * dl-Citronellol * Citronellyl Butyrate * itronellyl Isobutyrate * Civet Absolute * Clary Oil * Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract * Cocoa * Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder * Coconut Oil * Coffee * Cognac White and Green Oil * Copaiba Oil * Coriander Extract and Oil * Corn Oil * Corn Silk * Costus Root Oil * Cubeb Oil * Cuminaldehyde * para-Cymene * 1-Cysteine * Dandelion Root Solid Extract * Davana Oil * 2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal * delta-Decalactone * gamma-Decalactone * Decanal * Decanoic Acid * 1-Decanol * 2-Decenal * Dehydromenthofurolactone * Diethyl Malonate * Diethyl Sebacate * 2,3-Diethylpyrazine * Dihydro Anethole * 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine * Dill Seed Oil and Extract * meta-Dimethoxybenzene * para-Dimethoxybenzene * 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol * Dimethyl Succinate * 3,4-Dimethyl-1,2 Cyclopentanedione * 3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione * 3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene * 4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One * 6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One * 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid * 2,4 Dimethylacetophenone * alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol * alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate * alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate * 2,3-Dimethylpyrazine * 2,5-Dimethylpyrazine * 2,6-Dimethylpyrazine * Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone * delta-Dodecalactone * gamma-Dodecalactone * para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde * Ethyl 10-Undecenoate * Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate * Ethyl Acetate * Ethyl Acetoacetate * Ethyl Alcohol * Ethyl Benzoate * Ethyl Butyrate * Ethyl Cinnamate * Ethyl Decanoate * Ethyl Fenchol * Ethyl Furoate * Ethyl Heptanoate * Ethyl Hexanoate * Ethyl Isovalerate * Ethyl Lactate * Ethyl Laurate * Ethyl Levulinate * Ethyl Maltol * Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate * Ethyl Myristate * Ethyl Nonanoate * Ethyl Octadecanoate * Ethyl Octanoate * Ethyl Oleate * Ethyl Palmitate * Ethyl Phenylacetate * Ethyl Propionate * Ethyl Salicylate * Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate * Ethyl Valerate * Ethyl Vanillin * 2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine * 2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One * 2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine * 5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone * 2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine * 4-Ethylbenzaldehyde * 4-Ethylguaiacol * para-Ethylphenol * 3-Ethylpyridine * Eucalyptol * Farnesol * D-Fenchone * Fennel Sweet Oil * Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute * Fig Juice Concentrate * Food Starch Modified * Furfuryl Mercaptan * 4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One * Galbanum Oil * Genet Absolute * Gentian Root Extract * Geraniol * Geranium Rose Oil * Geranyl Acetate * Geranyl Butyrate * Geranyl Formate * Geranyl Isovalerate * Geranyl Phenylacetate * Ginger Oil and Oleoresin * 1-Glutamic Acid * 1-Glutamine * Glycerol * Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated * Grape Juice Concentrate * Guaiac Wood Oil * Guaiacol * Guar Gum * 2,4-Heptadienal * gamma-Heptalactone * Heptanoic Acid * 2-Heptanone * 3-Hepten-2-One * 2-Hepten-4-One * 4-Heptenal * trans -2-Heptenal * Heptyl Acetate * omega-6-Hexadecenlactone * gamma-Hexalactone * Hexanal * Hexanoic Acid * 2-Hexen-1-Ol * 3-Hexen-1-Ol * cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate * 2-Hexenal * 3-Hexenoic Acid * trans-2-Hexenoic Acid * cis-3-Hexenyl Formate * Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate * Hexyl Acetate * Hexyl Alcohol * Hexyl Phenylacetate * 1-Histidine * Honey * Hops Oil * Hydrolyzed Milk Solids * Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins * 5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone * 4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone * 2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One * 4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone * 2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde * 4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone * Hydroxycitronellal * 6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane * 4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone * Hyssop Oil * Immortelle Absolute and Extract * alpha-Ionone * beta-Ionone * alpha-Irone * Isoamyl Acetate * Isoamyl Benzoate * Isoamyl Butyrate * Isoamyl Cinnamate * Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate * Isoamyl Isovalerate * Isoamyl Octanoate * Isoamyl Phenylacetate * Isobornyl Acetate * Isobutyl Acetate * Isobutyl Alcohol * Isobutyl Cinnamate * Isobutyl Phenylacetate * Isobutyl Salicylate * 2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine * alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol * Isobutyraldehyde * Isobutyric Acid * d,l-Isoleucine * alpha-Isomethylionone * 2-Isopropylphenol * Isovaleric Acid * Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil * Kola Nut Extract * Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin * Lactic Acid * Lauric Acid * Lauric Aldehyde * Lavandin Oil * Lavender Oil * Lemon Oil and Extract * Lemongrass Oil * 1-Leucine * Levulinic Acid * Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder * Lime Oil * Linalool * Linalool Oxide * Linalyl Acetate * Linden Flowers * Lovage Oil And Extract * 1-Lysine] * Mace Powder, Extract and Oil * Magnesium Carbonate * Malic Acid * Malt and Malt Extract * Maltodextrin * Maltol * Maltyl Isobutyrate * Mandarin Oil * Maple Syrup and Concentrate * Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil * para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One * Menthol * Menthone * Menthyl Acetate * dl-Methionine * Methoprene * 2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol * 2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol * para-Methoxybenzaldehyde * 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One * 4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone * 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone * Methoxypyrazine * Methyl 2-Furoate * Methyl 2-Octynoate * Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone * Methyl Anisate * Methyl Anthranilate * Methyl Benzoate * Methyl Cinnamate * Methyl Dihydrojasmonate * Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated * Methyl Isovalerate * Methyl Linoleate (48%) * Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture * Methyl Naphthyl Ketone * Methyl Nicotinate * Methyl Phenylacetate * Methyl Salicylate * Methyl Sulfide * 3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone * 4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone * 5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal * 5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde * 6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One * 2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde * 5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One * 1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene * 4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One * 2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde * 6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One * 4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol * 4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole * Methyl-alpha-Ionone * Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid * 4-Methylacetophenone * para-Methylanisole * alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate * alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol * 2-Methylbutyraldehyde * 3-Methylbutyraldehyde * 2-Methylbutyric Acid * alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde * Methylcyclopentenolone * 2-Methylheptanoic Acid * 2-Methylhexanoic Acid * 3-Methylpentanoic Acid * 4-Methylpentanoic Acid * 2-Methylpyrazine * 5-Methylquinoxaline * 2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One * (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers) * 3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde * Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate * 2-Methylvaleric Acid * Mimosa Absolute and Extract * Molasses Extract and Tincture * Mountain Maple Solid Extract * Mullein Flowers * Myristaldehyde * Myristic Acid * Myrrh Oil * beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether * Nerol * Neroli Bigarde Oil * Nerolidol * Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal * 2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol * gamma-Nonalactone * Nonanal * Nonanoic Acid * Nonanone * trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol * 2-Nonenal * Nonyl Acetate * Nutmeg Powder and Oil * Oak Chips Extract and Oil * Oak Moss Absolute * 9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%) * delta-Octalactone * gamma-Octalactone * Octanal * Octanoic Acid * 1-Octanol * 2-Octanone * 3-Octen-2-One * 1-Octen-3-Ol * 1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate * 2-Octenal * Octyl Isobutyrate * Oleic Acid * Olibanum Oil * Opoponax Oil And Gum * Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute * Orange Oil and Extract * Origanum Oil * Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract * Palmarosa Oil * Palmitic Acid * Parsley Seed Oil * Patchouli Oil * omega-Pentadecalactone * 2,3-Pentanedione * 2-Pentanone * 4-Pentenoic Acid * 2-Pentylpyridine * Pepper Oil, Black And White * Peppermint Oil * Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil * Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil * alpha-Phellandrene * 2-Phenenthyl Acetate * Phenenthyl Alcohol * Phenethyl Butyrate * Phenethyl Cinnamate * Phenethyl Isobutyrate * Phenethyl Isovalerate * Phenethyl Phenylacetate * Phenethyl Salicylate * 1-Phenyl-1-Propanol * 3-Phenyl-1-Propanol * 2-Phenyl-2-Butenal * 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol * 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One * Phenylacetaldehyde * Phenylacetic Acid * 1-Phenylalanine * 3-Phenylpropionaldehyde * 3-Phenylpropionic Acid * 3-Phenylpropyl Acetate * 3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate * 2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran * Phosphoric Acid * Pimenta Leaf Oil * Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch * Pineapple Juice Concentrate * alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene * D-Piperitone * Piperonal * Pipsissewa Leaf Extract * Plum Juice * Potassium Sorbate * 1-Proline * Propenylguaethol * Propionic Acid * Propyl Acetate * Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate * Propylene Glycol * 3-Propylidenephthalide * Prune Juice and Concentrate * Pyridine * Pyroligneous Acid And Extract * Pyrrole * Pyruvic Acid * Raisin Juice Concentrate * Rhodinol * Rose Absolute and Oil * Rosemary Oil * Rum * Rum Ether * Rye Extract * Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin * Salicylaldehyde * Sandalwood Oil, Yellow * Sclareolide * Skatole * Smoke Flavor * Snakeroot Oil * Sodium Acetate * Sodium Benzoate * Sodium Bicarbonate * Sodium Carbonate * Sodium Chloride * Sodium Citrate * Sodium Hydroxide * Solanone * Spearmint Oil * Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil * Sucrose Octaacetate * Sugar Alcohols * Sugars * Tagetes Oil * Tannic Acid * Tartaric Acid * Tea Leaf and Absolute * alpha-Terpineol * Terpinolene * Terpinyl Acetate * 5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline * 1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane * 2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone * 2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine * Thiamine Hydrochloride * Thiazole * 1-Threonine * Thyme Oil, White and Red * Thymol * Tobacco Extracts * Tochopherols (mixed) * Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract * Tolualdehydes * para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate * para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde * para-Tolyl Acetate * para-Tolyl Isobutyrate * para-Tolyl Phenylacetate * Triacetin * 2-Tridecanone * 2-Tridecenal * Triethyl Citrate * 3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol * para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol * 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One * 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione * 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan * 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One * 2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone * 2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine * 1-Tyrosine * delta-Undercalactone * gamma-Undecalactone * Undecanal * 2-Undecanone, 1 * 0-Undecenal * Urea * Valencene * Valeraldehyde * Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder * Valeric Acid * gamma-Valerolactone * Valine * Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin * Vanillin * Veratraldehyde * Vetiver Oil * Vinegar * Violet Leaf Absolute * Walnut Hull Extract * Water * Wheat Extract And Flour * Wild Cherry Bark Extract * Wine and Wine Sherry * Xanthan Gum * 3,4-Xylenol * Yeast
Yeah, real enhanced.
--------------------
|
Cannabischarlie
Resident badass


Registered: 11/28/05
Posts: 14,494
Last seen: 1 day, 10 hours
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Chi Ro]
#7800561 - 12/26/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I can't help but wonder how they can say it causes cancer when no one has ever gotten cancer from smoking Marijuana. Don't even get me started on the fact that Marijuana smoke has been proven to inhibit lung cancer cells in mice.
|
johnm214



Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7800589 - 12/26/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
um... cuz products plant matter combustion are carcinogenic?
Don't confuse whether something causes or has caused cancer with saying something has been proven to cause cancer.
Tobacco hasn't been proven to cause cancer in an experiment in humans, yet I'd feel pretty safe saying it does.
Same w/ marijuana. No it hasn't been proven, but how can you say it hasn't happened?
Science and logic is about what you can observe, not about what you think might kinda be true (I've not seen something therefore it doesn't exist= marijuana hasn't been proven to cause cancer therefore it doesn't cause cancer)
|
2FiNiTe
ConsideratlyKilling Me



Registered: 06/12/06
Posts: 1,635
Loc: New England
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: johnm214]
#7800796 - 12/26/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
johnm214 said: You may impress the "dude science is totally not cool, man" crowd
I'm a 4th year Chemistry Major. The fact that I do read sprung the questions I raised. I think maybe you should just calm down. If you think anyone has to prove anything to you, your sadly mistaken.
Asking how the tests were ran, would be the first question any science oriented person would ask.
-------------------- "Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war that we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living." General Omar N. Bradley
Edited by 2FiNiTe (12/26/07 12:35 PM)
|
johnm214



Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#7801829 - 12/26/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I'm just crankey!!!
But yeah, read the study, seems cool to me. They caution that it means nothing except as related to the particular samples, and even those tested showed a good benefit to pot as opposed to tobacco, in my untrained eye.
|
learningtofly
Ancient Aliens



Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7801937 - 12/26/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Cannabischarlie said: I can't help but wonder how they can say it causes cancer when no one has ever gotten cancer from smoking Marijuana. Don't even get me started on the fact that Marijuana smoke has been proven to inhibit lung cancer cells in mice.
no one's ever proven that smoking tobacco causes cancer either, it's against the ethical code to conduct an experiment to find out. So in that sense you are correct, they can't say it does unless they've made people smoke pot and they got cancer, while ruling out every other possibility.
Smoked plant matter causes carcinogens, why is that so hard for people to understand? But just because you MAY get cancer from it doesn't mean you WILL get cancer from it.
--------------------
|
Cannabischarlie
Resident badass


Registered: 11/28/05
Posts: 14,494
Last seen: 1 day, 10 hours
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: johnm214]
#7803230 - 12/27/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
No, Marijuana has never caused cancer, therefore it doesnt, simple as that. Tobacco has been proven time and time again to be the direct cause of lung cancer in many cases. Marijuana has not. Also they have proven that it is the carcinogenic chemicals and how its grown that makes tobacco cancer-causing, and Marijuana fails to cause the same mechanism of action. Read up before you post, you are making broad statements. Not only has Marijuana not proved to cause cancer, it has proven that it DOESN'T
-------------------- This section of the signature line has been intentionally left blank.
we could all use a little more sunshine.
yeah, she's funny and somewhat interesting. not a beauty queen, but not bad lookin. i'd feel quite honored to fuck janine garofalo. -tiny_rabid_birds
|
learningtofly
Ancient Aliens



Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7803740 - 12/27/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
oh I thought it was just linked to, assumed cause and effect etc, up to a point where it was pretty fucking obvious that it causes cancer but it hadn't been "proven" by which i mean tested on people in a controlled environment and given said people cancer and ruled out any other causes of cancer.
I'm not saying I don't think tobacco causes cancer im just saying that I was lead to believe that "technically" we don't know.
--------------------
|
johnm214



Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7804830 - 12/27/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Cannabischarlie said: No, Marijuana has never caused cancer, therefore it doesnt, simple as that. Tobacco has been proven time and time again to be the direct cause of lung cancer in many cases. Marijuana has not. Also they have proven that it is the carcinogenic chemicals and how its grown that makes tobacco cancer-causing, and Marijuana fails to cause the same mechanism of action. Read up before you post, you are making broad statements. Not only has Marijuana not proved to cause cancer, it has proven that it DOESN'T
provide sources or shut up
your statements have been disputed previously, and you've yet to meet the burden your argument carries.
show the proof for the premises of your argument.
I think you're wrong
|
learningtofly
Ancient Aliens



Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: johnm214]
#7805396 - 12/27/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
thanks johnm214, I knew I wasn't retarded. I also recall going over this situation in a psych class and the professor repeatedly telling a student what I said, it hasn't been proven because the ethics laws won't allow it.
--------------------
|
johnm214



Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: learningtofly]
#7805416 - 12/27/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
exactly, plus the practical considerations are ridiculous. Lock two populations up and subject one group to varying concentrations of smoke, and the other nothing? Wait 20 years? Who pays for these people to live in the lab? Who decides to volunteer?
Even if you got matching populations and environments in their outside life (for the sake of assumption) it would be unethical to subject one group to smoke, and the other not- where both would need to have been tobacco-naive to demonstrate the causual connection.
Just cuz tobacco and marijuana cause cancer (almost certainly) that doesn't mean they have been proven to in anything other than an observational study. Useually when people talk about something being proven, it is in regards to an actual experiment- not just surveys and bullshit like that.
Causality and correlation are two different things, just like whether marijuana causes cancer and whether it can be proven to are two different things.
|
RogerRabbit
Bans for Pleasure



Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 11 months, 3 days
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LayYouIn]
#7806642 - 12/28/07 05:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
LayYouIn said: lol, look at all these pot heads not being able to face the truth, how funny!
why not just say "it's unhealthy for me, but im going to do it anyways"?
I have four grandchildren so far, and have been smoking pot daily for 45 years. I've also climbed to the summit of nearly 200 mountains, and have climbed 6 mountains so far this winter. If pot is trashing out my lungs, somebody please tell my blood system because it stays at 99% O2 saturation, even under climbing conditions at high altitude. In fact, I climb with guys less than half my age, and it's rare indeed when I'm not the first one to the top of the mountain. It's interesting they'll make a 'smoking machine' to prove their theories, but never interview or study people like me. RR
-------------------- Download Let's Grow Mushrooms semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat "I've never had a failed experiment. I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work." Thomas Edison
|
flavoraid
now with twicethe ketamine andopiates!

Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 1,678
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8106059 - 03/05/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
Quote:
LayYouIn said: lol, look at all these pot heads not being able to face the truth, how funny!
why not just say "it's unhealthy for me, but im going to do it anyways"?
I have four grandchildren so far, and have been smoking pot daily for 45 years. I've also climbed to the summit of nearly 200 mountains, and have climbed 6 mountains so far this winter. If pot is trashing out my lungs, somebody please tell my blood system because it stays at 99% O2 saturation, even under climbing conditions at high altitude. In fact, I climb with guys less than half my age, and it's rare indeed when I'm not the first one to the top of the mountain. It's interesting they'll make a 'smoking machine' to prove their theories, but never interview or study people like me. RR
RR I know pack a day smokers that are in boxing leagues, and others who run marathons. May I ask how much pot you smoke? I know this is a old thread but if anyone wants to get an idea of how much tar and crap is in their weed take out a nugget and chew it.
Maybe it's you being active that clears out your lungs and keeps you healthy. Do you smoke with a bong or vaporizor or old school joints?
props to you and your mountain climbing that's pretty intense, you must be around 60 years old eh?
-------------------- coda said: imachavel, Man you really need to do some reading, the amount of bullshit you put into almost every single one of your posts is absolutely astounding.
|
Divided_Sky
Ten ThousandThings

Registered: 11/02/03
Posts: 3,171
Loc: The Shining Void
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: flavoraid]
#8106337 - 03/05/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Veggie posted this when it came out 2 1/2 years ago. There are several similar articles for anyone who does a search.
Study: Smoking Marijuana Does Not Cause Lung Cancer July 2, 2005 - counterpunch.org
Marijuana smoking -"even heavy longterm use"- does not cause cancer of the lung, upper airwaves, or esophagus, Donald Tashkin reported at this year's meeting of the International Cannabinoid Research Society. Coming from Tashkin, this conclusion had extra significance for the assembled drug-company and university-based scientists (most of whom get funding from the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse). Over the years, Tashkin's lab at UCLA has produced irrefutable evidence of the damage that marijuana smoke wreaks on bronchial tissue. With NIDA's support, Tashkin and colleagues have identified the potent carcinogens in marijuana smoke, biopsied and made photomicrographs of pre-malignant cells, and studied the molecular changes occurring within them. It is Tashkin's research that the Drug Czar's office cites in ads linking marijuana to lung cancer. Tashkin himself has long believed in a causal relationship, despite a study in which Stephen Sidney examined the files of 64,000 Kaiser patients and found that marijuana users didn't develop lung cancer at a higher rate or die earlier than non-users. Of five smaller studies on the question, only two -involving a total of about 300 patients- concluded that marijuana smoking causes lung cancer. Tashkin decided to settle the question by conducting a large, prospectively designed, population-based, case-controlled study. "Our major hypothesis," he told the ICRS, "was that heavy, longterm use of marijuana will increase the risk of lung and upper-airwaves cancers."
The Los Angeles County Cancer Surveillance program provided Tashkin's team with the names of 1,209 L.A. residents aged 59 or younger with cancer (611 lung, 403 oral/pharyngeal, 90 laryngeal, 108 esophageal). Interviewers collected extensive lifetime histories of marijuana, tobacco, alcohol and other drug use, and data on diet, occupational exposures, family history of cancer, and various "socio-demographic factors." Exposure to marijuana was measured in joint years (joints per day x 365). Controls were found based on age, gender and neighborhood. Among them, 46% had never used marijuana, 31% had used less than one joint year, 12% had used 10-30 j-yrs, 2% had used 30-60 j-yrs, and 3% had used for more than 60 j-yrs. Tashkin controlled for tobacco use and calculated the relative risk of marijuana use resulting in lung and upper airwaves cancers. All the odds ratios turned out to be less than one (one being equal to the control group's chances)! Compared with subjects who had used less than one joint year, the estimated odds ratios for lung cancer were .78; for 1-10 j-yrs, .74; for 10-30 j-yrs, .85 for 30-60 j-yrs; and 0.81 for more than 60 j-yrs. The estimated odds ratios for oral/pharyngeal cancers were 0.92 for 1-10 j-yrs; 0.89 for 10-30 j-yrs; 0.81 for 30-60 j-yrs; and 1.0 for more than 60 j-yrs. "Similar, though less precise results were obtained for the other cancer sites," Tashkin reported. "We found absolutely no suggestion of a dose response." The data on tobacco use, as expected, revealed "a very potent effect and a clear dose-response relationship -a 21-fold greater risk of developing lung cancer if you smoke more than two packs a day." Similarly high odds obtained for oral/pharyngeal cancer, laryngeal cancer and esophageal cancer. "So, in summary" Tashkin concluded, "we failed to observe a positive association of marijuana use and other potential confounders."
There was time for only one question, said the moderator, and San Francisco oncologist Donald Abrams, M.D., was already at the microphone: "You don't see any positive correlation, but in at least one category [marijuana-only smokers and lung cancer], it almost looked like there was a negative correlation, i.e., a protective effect. Could you comment on that?"
"Yes," said Tashkin. "The odds ratios are less than one almost consistently, and in one category that relationship was significant, but I think that it would be difficult to extract from these data the conclusion that marijuana is protective against lung cancer. But that is not an unreasonable hypothesis."
Abrams had results of his own to report at the ICRS meeting. He and his colleagues at San Francisco General Hospital had conducted a randomized, placebo-controlled study involving 50 patients with HIV-related peripheral neuropathy. Over the course of five days, patients recorded their pain levels in a diary after smoking either NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes or cigarettes from which the THC had been extracted. About 25% didn't know or guessed wrong as to whether they were smoking the placebos, which suggests that the blinding worked. Abrams requested that his results not be described in detail prior to publication in a peer-reviewed medical journal, but we can generalize: they exceeded expectations, and show marijuana providing pain relief comparable to Gabapentin, the most widely used treatment for a condition that afflicts some 30% of patients with HIV.
To a questioner who bemoaned the difficulty of "separating the high from the clinical benefits," Abrams replied: "I'm an oncologist as well as an AIDS doctor and I don't think that a drug that creates euphoria in patients with terminal diseases is having an adverse effect." His study was funded by the University of California's Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research.
* * *
The 15th annual meeting of the ICRS was held at the Clearwater, Florida, Hilton, June 24-27. Almost 300 scientists attended. R. Stephen Ellis, MD, of San Francisco, was the sole clinician from California. Los Angeles Farmacy operator Mike Ommaha and therapist/cultivator Pat Humphrey showed up to audit the proceedings... Some of the younger European scientists expressed consternation over the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling and the vote in Congress re-enforcing the cannabis prohibition. "How can they dispute that it has medical effect?" an investigator working in Germany asked us earnestly. She had come to give a talk on "the role of different neuronal populations in the pharmacological actions of delta-9 THC." For most ICRS members, the holy grail is a legal synthetic drug that exerts the medicinal effects of the prohibited herb. To this end they study the mechanism of action by which the body's own cannabinoids are assembled, function, and get broken down. A drug that encourages production or delays dissolution, they figure, might achieve the desired effect without being subject to "abuse..." News on the scientific front included the likely identification of a third cannabinoid receptor expressed in tissues of the lung, brain, kidney, spleen and smaller branches of the mesenteric artery. Investigators from GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca both reported finding the new receptor but had different versions of its pharmacology. It may have a role in regulating blood pressure.
Several talks and posters described the safety and efficacy of Sativex, G.W. Pharmaceuticals' whole-plant extract containing high levels of THC and CBD (cannabidiol) formulated to spray in the mouth. G.W. director Geoffrey Guy seemed upbeat, despite the drubbing his company's stock took this spring when UK regulators withheld permission to market Sativex pending another clinical trial. Canada recently granted approval for doctors to prescribe Sativex, and five sales reps from Bayer (to whom G.W. sold the Canadian marketing rights) are promoting it to neurologists. Sativex was approved for the treatment of neuropathic pain in multiple sclerosis, but can be prescribed for other purposes as doctors see fit.
A more detailed report on the ICRS meeting will appear in the upcoming issue of O'Shaughnessy's, a journal put out by California's small but growing group of pro-cannabis doctors. To get on the mailing list, send a contribution of any amount to the CCRMG (California Cannabis Research Medical Group) at p.o. box 9143, Berkeley, CA 94709. It's a 501c3 non-profit and your correspondent's main source of income.
-------------------- 1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..." 2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..." 3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."
|
LayYouIn
Taurus


Registered: 09/28/06
Posts: 4,402
Loc: Organ
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8107657 - 03/05/08 07:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
Quote:
LayYouIn said: lol, look at all these pot heads not being able to face the truth, how funny!
why not just say "it's unhealthy for me, but im going to do it anyways"?
I have four grandchildren so far, and have been smoking pot daily for 45 years. I've also climbed to the summit of nearly 200 mountains, and have climbed 6 mountains so far this winter. If pot is trashing out my lungs, somebody please tell my blood system because it stays at 99% O2 saturation, even under climbing conditions at high altitude. In fact, I climb with guys less than half my age, and it's rare indeed when I'm not the first one to the top of the mountain. It's interesting they'll make a 'smoking machine' to prove their theories, but never interview or study people like me. RR
but it still isn't healthy for you. you WOULD be healthier if you didn't smoke weed.
|
learningtofly
Ancient Aliens



Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LayYouIn]
#8107750 - 03/05/08 07:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
whys it so hard to believe that theres something wrong with pot? but who gives a fuck? you it doesnt take away your best years, it takes away your last years, so smoke up.
--------------------
|
flavoraid
now with twicethe ketamine andopiates!

Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 1,678
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: learningtofly]
#8107942 - 03/05/08 08:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
learningtofly said: whys it so hard to believe that theres something wrong with pot? but who gives a fuck? you it doesnt take away your best years, it takes away your last years, so smoke up.
your a dumbass.
that's the most stupid philosophy ever.
it makes you not so worse years your worse and final years.
-------------------- coda said: imachavel, Man you really need to do some reading, the amount of bullshit you put into almost every single one of your posts is absolutely astounding.
|
LayYouIn
Taurus


Registered: 09/28/06
Posts: 4,402
Loc: Organ
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: flavoraid]
#8112577 - 03/06/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
flavoraid said: it makes you not so worse years your worse and final years.
this could be debated. it depends on how you smoke it, how much you smoke, and how often you smoke.
even if you only smoke once a year, putting smoke into your lungs just isn't healthy, no debate there. as far as taking years off your life and making years in your life worse, all debatable.
|
flavoraid
now with twicethe ketamine andopiates!

Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 1,678
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LayYouIn]
#8112594 - 03/06/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Think about it
the average smoker knocks the last 12 years off his life.
do you honestly think if he dies of smoking related w.e he's gonna die a peaceful death and live his life out happily and comfortably?
I don't
I quit smoking january 5th.
-------------------- coda said: imachavel, Man you really need to do some reading, the amount of bullshit you put into almost every single one of your posts is absolutely astounding.
|
rushofblood
Stranger

Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 245
Last seen: 14 years, 8 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: flavoraid]
#8114263 - 03/07/08 12:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Let's all just infuse oil with cannabis and anoint ourselves and we don't have to worry about 'harmful smoke'.
|
HighHat
Repeat Gold Medal eBay -TiVoist



Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 303
Loc: Delocated
Last seen: 13 years, 11 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: rushofblood]
#8114467 - 03/07/08 01:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
I quit smoking january 5th.
That explains the OMFG NO SMOKE ITS BAD FOR YOU YOURE DUMB IM SMARTERERERER attitude.
Eat pot brownies or butter if you're worried about tar, if you want to smoke without smoking, use a vap. Burning anything and breathing in the smoke is bad for you, but burning weed and breathing it in is far less harmful than burning tobacco, or gasoline.
My friend in medical school said his professor had them read a paper on marijuana-induced cancer cell apoptosis.
Ignore my nonsense. Im waiting to wake up on my keyboard. Better yet. Im waiting to come out of a coma. I seem to be stuck in a world inhabited by morons who try to scare people into believing bullshit to impede their spiritual growth and transcendence.
-------------------- Have you ever felt like you were wearing a hat, but you weren't? "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" -Letter from the Pennsylvania Assembly, November 11, 1755 This profile is strictly for role-playing. Any alleged association with illegal activities is purely fictional. Any images depicting illegal activities are photo-shopped or stolen.
Edited by HighHat (03/07/08 01:10 AM)
|
Jack_Straw
ROC

Registered: 06/19/03
Posts: 383
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: HighHat]
#8116195 - 03/07/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
right. read the webmd study. cliffs notes: multiple phD's studied marijuana smokers, most of them going into the study with the assumption (because of 20x more chemicals than tobacco) that marijuana would cause cancer.
they were surprised by the results - the control group who smoked no marijuana had no difference in cancer rates than the heavy smokers group.
|
LayYouIn
Taurus


Registered: 09/28/06
Posts: 4,402
Loc: Organ
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: flavoraid]
#8117438 - 03/07/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
flavoraid said: Think about it
the average smoker knocks the last 12 years off his life.
do you honestly think if he dies of smoking related w.e he's gonna die a peaceful death and live his life out happily and comfortably?
I don't
I quit smoking january 5th.
the average cannabis smoker knocks the last 12 years off his/her life? or cigarette smoker?
so far this year, i've only smoked weed twice. i haven't smoked a cigarette since a couple weeks before christmas. but just because i've cut down on smoking weed, doesn't mean im against it...im just trying to save money.
|
flavoraid
now with twicethe ketamine andopiates!

Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 1,678
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LayYouIn]
#8117448 - 03/07/08 07:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
average cigarette smoker.
The average cigarette smoker is said to knock the last 8-12 years off his live.
I don't know about smoking weed but I hear smoking a joint is as bad as smoking 20-25 cigarettes of equal weight.
-------------------- coda said: imachavel, Man you really need to do some reading, the amount of bullshit you put into almost every single one of your posts is absolutely astounding.
|
LayYouIn
Taurus


Registered: 09/28/06
Posts: 4,402
Loc: Organ
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: flavoraid]
#8117456 - 03/07/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
flavoraid said: average cigarette smoker.
The average cigarette smoker is said to knock the last 8-12 years off his live.
I don't know about smoking weed but I hear smoking a joint is as bad as smoking 20-25 cigarettes of equal weight.
well yeah, cigarettes cause cancer.
i think i've read that joints are bad due to the rolling paper...something like that. vaporizes sounds like the best way to do it...but it's still not good for a persons lungs.
|
flavoraid
now with twicethe ketamine andopiates!

Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 1,678
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LayYouIn]
#8117466 - 03/07/08 07:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Rolling paper most people use is probably 1/3 the size of cigarette paper.
Even zig zag whites which are the thickest I know of is thinner than cigarette paper.
It's the actual burning of the weed. Smoking anything isn't healthy.
Vapes are definately the healthiest though. A water cure removes a lot of oil and chloroform and what not.
-------------------- coda said: imachavel, Man you really need to do some reading, the amount of bullshit you put into almost every single one of your posts is absolutely astounding.
|
TreeMoss
I live in a Fox Hole

Registered: 12/05/08
Posts: 1,615
Last seen: 15 years, 5 days
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: bodynotdead]
#9438714 - 12/15/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
What? They add so much crap to tobacco!
And what ganja are they using to study? Some kind of chemical laden herb without a flush.
Test a really good organic herb that is clean, or hashish!
Not some kind of schwag Government bud or commercial herbs that have been grown with nasty chemical salts in who knows what kind of contaminated soil with what sort of polluted water.
They are just referring to the resin, ya weed has more resin content...but organic tobacco that is fresh and cured nicely isn't exactly missing out on oils/resins.
Oh, and what defines "Toxic", amount has everything to do with it along with introduction rates as well as the body (being old, young, sick and so on).
We probably have more toxins in our work environments, from pollution and in normal homes. Some toxins aren't that toxic if removed from the flesh and some toxins flush out easily.
-------------------- Drug chemicals are going to be more abundant and survive longer than any anti-drug agendas. Some of us are just ahead of the game, we already know what the future will understand. Drugs weren't bad but how some people used them were and some people just were bad because they had to be.
Edited by TreeMoss (12/15/08 06:10 PM)
|
LightShedder
Trading currencies



Registered: 08/30/05
Posts: 3,026
Loc: AustinDenverLA
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: TreeMoss]
#9439738 - 12/15/08 08:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I am a huge stoner but I always am a little disturbed when I see fellow pot-smokers get sooo defensive about marijuana being harmful. There really should be no debate over this matter. Burning any plant matter and inhaling it in your lungs is damaging to your health. And some plants are worse then others to burn/inhale. Marijuana happens to have lots of alkaloids in it that are damaging. This is not a lie. A very reliable non-biased chemist I know has made this clear to me many times. He can just analyze whether a chemical would be carcinogenic by it's structure and he said pot has MANY carcinogens. He recommended vaporizing if you are going to use it. That is what I do but I still notice some negative effects on my lungs with resin. Not to mention I am still ingesting carcinogens no matter how I ingest cannabis. Hopefully I will make up for it with a macrobiotic diet
|
TreeMoss
I live in a Fox Hole


Registered: 12/05/08
Posts: 1,615
Last seen: 15 years, 5 days
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LightShedder]
#9440967 - 12/15/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Nice avatar, I have that poster someplace.
Some of us just don't care about body damage unless it's very serious. Many humans live for what we feel is ours, like drugs and we know when it's not good (feels like shit)......so I'm going to die and the G people aren't really protecting me they are harming me.
It's just not the Governments place to say you can't do something in private to yourself.......I do understand protecting people from all the things out there, people that haven't dabbled before.
But for real, they just want to show you pictures of people torn the hell up on meth (and a lot more, other life choices) and just say that is drugs.
I've never known anyone to look like that from meth, or some kid from a party get like that..knew tons of kids on amphetamines in school anyhow.........
But your right, weed is very dangerous.......feeling an illusion of good isn't worth it.....I mean it could take 60 years to kill you!
-------------------- Drug chemicals are going to be more abundant and survive longer than any anti-drug agendas. Some of us are just ahead of the game, we already know what the future will understand. Drugs weren't bad but how some people used them were and some people just were bad because they had to be.
|
aDoS
freedom lover



Registered: 06/18/05
Posts: 7,590
Loc: land of the free
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: bodynotdead]
#9440982 - 12/15/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I really don't know what to believe to be honest. Some studies show that cannabis smoke is not as damaging as tobacco, others say its more damaging.
-------------------- "If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH
|
badchad
Mad Scientist

Registered: 03/02/05
Posts: 13,372
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: aDoS]
#9442274 - 12/16/08 07:14 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
While I haven't read the study in its entirety, John is fairly spot on.
The authors measured and analyzed the combustion products of marijuana and tobacco smoke (e.g. sidestream and mainstream smoke). They found similarities and differences between the two.
Conclusions about the carcinogenic potential of each are speculative at best.
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did. Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27. ...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely. Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
|
hpi
Tsar Bomba




Registered: 01/17/07
Posts: 11,922
Loc: Montreal, Canada
Last seen: 8 months, 24 days
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: badchad]
#9442575 - 12/16/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I can't help but think that if they legalize MJ they'd add all those "enhancements" that cigarettes have.
-------------------- Tohu Tehom Theli Than Leviathan Tanin'iver Taninsam! Tohu Tehom Theli Than Leviathan Tanin'iver Taninsam! There exists one lie that is the absolute worst. A lie that has successfully infiltrated many of the Western governments. This lie is Christianity, and it must be fought in every way, shape and form. Burn the churches and kill the priests. The abomination that is Christianity must be wiped from this Earth.
4-Methyl-Aminorex
|
AnonymousRabbit
Comrade


Registered: 01/10/08
Posts: 8,993
Last seen: 1 year, 4 months
|
. [Re: hpi]
#9442699 - 12/16/08 09:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
.
-------------------- .
Edited by AnonymousRabbit (05/18/22 11:31 PM)
|
LightShedder
Trading currencies



Registered: 08/30/05
Posts: 3,026
Loc: AustinDenverLA
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
#9443642 - 12/16/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Yeah tobacco/nicotine are far worse IMO and it probably isn't my opinion but a fact. And I am personally willing to risk the safety hazards of using pot because I just love it sooo much. The coolest plant ever if you ask me. I vaporize it though to minimize negative effects. I'm sure you'd be a lot better of smoking marijuana then a cigarette any day.
|
johnm214



Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: badchad]
#9448813 - 12/17/08 07:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
badchad said: While I haven't read the study in its entirety, John is fairly spot on.
The authors measured and analyzed the combustion products of marijuana and tobacco smoke (e.g. sidestream and mainstream smoke). They found similarities and differences between the two.
Conclusions about the carcinogenic potential of each are speculative at best.
thanks man.
I get frustrated when people attack a study cuz it doesn't jive with their preconceived ideas but they don't bother to read the damn thing.
This news article was total bullshit- especially the headline, but that doesn't mean the study was wrong.
The authors wen out of their way to limit their findings and identify the numerous limitations, and I think its pretty silly that people attack the study based on a bullshit article when it seems the authors had no overt agenda when writing up their findings.
|
rizingfire
Mycoticus psychoticus




Registered: 09/10/07
Posts: 875
Loc: North-east USm'f'nA
Last seen: 4 months, 11 days
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: johnm214]
#9448824 - 12/17/08 07:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Actually a few months back they released an artical saying that pot kills lung cancer, so I smell a bullshit agenda if I ever seen one...I will look for the article.
-------------------- aka NHMI
|
rizingfire
Mycoticus psychoticus




Registered: 09/10/07
Posts: 875
Loc: North-east USm'f'nA
Last seen: 4 months, 11 days
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: rizingfire]
#9448828 - 12/17/08 07:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Isn’t It Ironic? Marijuana May Be the Cure for Lung Cancer A U.S. study found that the active ingredient in marijuana may turn out to be an excellent treatment for lung cancer.
Harvard researchers used lab and mouse studies to show that the compound, known as THC, cuts lung tumor growth in half and helps prevent the cancer from spreading. Researchers also demonstrated that THC inhibited the growth and spread of cells from two different lung cancer cell lines and from patient lung tumors.
They injected THC into mice that had been implanted with human lung cancer cells. After three weeks, tumors shrank by about 50%, compared with tumors in untreated mice, says Anju Preet, PhD, a Harvard University researcher in Boston who tested the chemical.
Preet notes that animals injected with THC seem to get “high,” showing signs of clumsiness and getting the munchies. “You would expect to see the same thing in humans, so if this work does pan out, getting the dose right is going to be all important,” she says.
The findings were presented at the annual meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research.
After the presentation, all of the researches got high. OK, not really, but maybe they did.
Note: Inhaling marijuana smoke is actually bad for your lungs. Only the controlled administration of the THC compound was shown to treat lung cancer in lab animals (not party animals).
Posted by Rebecca Sato
-------------------- aka NHMI
|
rizingfire
Mycoticus psychoticus




Registered: 09/10/07
Posts: 875
Loc: North-east USm'f'nA
Last seen: 4 months, 11 days
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: rizingfire]
#9448829 - 12/17/08 07:54 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
granted they are speaking of using it on humans via a vaporisor in the Web MD article which I haven't located yet..
-------------------- aka NHMI
|
johnm214



Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: rizingfire]
#9448891 - 12/17/08 08:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
support your premise.
And yes, using a vaporizer makes the comparison stupid, but lets assume they didn't.
Show what their agenda is and what evidence exists that it exists. What erroneous conclusions did they draw?
|
AnonymousRabbit
Comrade


Registered: 01/10/08
Posts: 8,993
Last seen: 1 year, 4 months
|
|
.
-------------------- .
Edited by AnonymousRabbit (05/18/22 11:31 PM)
|
k4ge



Registered: 11/25/08
Posts: 1,139
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: johnm214]
#9449154 - 12/17/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I call shenanigans.
-------------------- All posts by this user are not to be taken seriously. Seriously.
|
N2loma
Foaming Pipe Snake



Registered: 05/17/08
Posts: 925
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: rope]
#9451285 - 12/17/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
rope said:
Quote:
Tobacco from manufacturers has been enhanced and cleaned whereas cannabis is relatively unprocessed and therefore is a much dirtier product.
I find this hard to beleive. I remember reading somewhere that the carcinogen levels in cigarettes have risen steadily over the past few years. I can only imagine the type of "cleaners" they use. And with a reliable source for weed, you only get nice "unprocessed" herb. Which i always thought was a good thing, but propaganda tells me otherwise, so i may be wrong...Haha. I love propaganda, gives me a good laugh every now and then, almost as good as Garfeild.
Yeah, its a steaming pile of BS. Traditional "processing" according to Marlboro included adding more nicotine and a variety of other nasty chemicals. The only real benefit of a commercial tobacco cigarette is the filter. Slap one on an MJ cig and particulate related health issues decrease greatly. Also, at least one recent study found evidence that MJ smoke is much less carcinogenic to people than expected due to its richness in antioxidants (with cannabinoids themselves apparently among them).
-------------------- "So can you tell me what exactly does freedom mean/ If I'm not free to be as twisted as I wanna be" -Divide by Disturbed Good Guitars Don't Cry
|
Coaster
Baʿal



Registered: 05/22/06
Posts: 33,501
Loc: Deep in the Valley
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: N2loma]
#9451304 - 12/17/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
its far healthier to smoke tobacco from the ground then from the cig packs
--------------------
|
N2loma
Foaming Pipe Snake



Registered: 05/17/08
Posts: 925
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: johnm214]
#9451343 - 12/17/08 05:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
johnm214 said:
Quote:
Cannabischarlie said: No, Marijuana has never caused cancer, therefore it doesnt, simple as that. Tobacco has been proven time and time again to be the direct cause of lung cancer in many cases. Marijuana has not. Also they have proven that it is the carcinogenic chemicals and how its grown that makes tobacco cancer-causing, and Marijuana fails to cause the same mechanism of action. Read up before you post, you are making broad statements. Not only has Marijuana not proved to cause cancer, it has proven that it DOESN'T
provide sources or shut up
your statements have been disputed previously, and you've yet to meet the burden your argument carries.
show the proof for the premises of your argument.
I think you're wrong
This seems to come close: http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer ...And it only took me a few seconds to find it 
But such findings were already old news. From 2000: http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20000508/marijuana-unlikely-to-cause-cancer
-------------------- "So can you tell me what exactly does freedom mean/ If I'm not free to be as twisted as I wanna be" -Divide by Disturbed Good Guitars Don't Cry
Edited by N2loma (12/17/08 05:54 PM)
|
Pinealexploration
Stranger
Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 37
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LayYouIn]
#18068155 - 04/06/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Im sorry, but you're a moron. The truth is, the active compounds in Cannabis (Which are also found in Echinacea, Cacao and other plants) are not harmful to health in any way shape or form, smoking however, is. It is 100% correct that Cannabis smoke is not as harmful as cigarette smoke. the claim that it contains "More chemicals" holds no scientific strength in the real world, because everything that isn't a free element, is considered a chemical. Including water, the nutrients we need to live and pretty much anything else you can think of. What actually matters is what these chemicals are. In cigarettes and other tobacco products, many of these chemicals are synthetic additives used for flavour, preservation and other reasons. The active chemicals in Cannabis, known as Cannabinoids, are actually produced inside the body. Let me repeat myself for you un-educated morons who are still brainwashed into believing cannabis is harmful, CANNABINOIDS, the active compounds in CANNABIS that are responsible for the "HIGH" are produced naturally in your body. Not only have these Cannabinoids never been scientifically linked to any negative health effect, but the opposite has also been proven. In fact, due to the fact that our bodies produce Cannabinoids naturally, and all mammals have an Endo-Cannabinoid system, it can be argued that the body has a biological need for these Cannabinoids. Fact of the matter is, the only person here that cant face the truth is you. I could give you the names of over 30 laboratories that have proven the benefits of Cannabis and its constituents and I could also give you countless examples of FDA and other government "Health" resources openly lying. "Why not just its unhealthy for me, but I'm going to do it anyways" Because science has completely proven (To those who have a respect for science, unlike you) that it is not un-healthy. "Toxins", "Chemicals" and other similar terms have no real weight in the real world, as Toxicity revolves mostly around dosage and mostly everything is a Chemical. These are words used by media to poison your mind and dumb you down. Go get a real education before commenting next time, buddy.
|
Alan Rockefeller
Mycologist

Registered: 03/10/07
Posts: 48,276
Last seen: 11 minutes, 15 seconds
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Pinealexploration]
#18068550 - 04/06/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Cannabis may not have 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco, but it does apparently impair the ability to break up huge blocks of text into paragraphs.
Cannabis also negatively impacts the part of the brain that is used to check whether a thread is 5 years old before replying to it.
|
Pinealexploration
Stranger
Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 37
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#18069658 - 04/06/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
The fact that the only thing you can attack is my writing structure and thread choice shows you understand little of what I said. I am well aware this thread is old, I do not care, people still read it, and still get dumbed down by some of the stupid things that are posted, and my hope is to fix just a bit of that.
|
Alan Rockefeller
Mycologist

Registered: 03/10/07
Posts: 48,276
Last seen: 11 minutes, 15 seconds
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Pinealexploration]
#18069667 - 04/06/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I wasn't really trying to attack you. I agree with the rest of what you said.
|
Pinealexploration
Stranger
Registered: 04/06/13
Posts: 37
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
|
Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#18069782 - 04/06/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I know you weren't, I apologize for being so defensive.
|
|