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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LayYouIn]
#8117448 - 03/07/08 07:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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average cigarette smoker.
The average cigarette smoker is said to knock the last 8-12 years off his live.
I don't know about smoking weed but I hear smoking a joint is as bad as smoking 20-25 cigarettes of equal weight.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: flavoraid]
#8117456 - 03/07/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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flavoraid said: average cigarette smoker.
The average cigarette smoker is said to knock the last 8-12 years off his live.
I don't know about smoking weed but I hear smoking a joint is as bad as smoking 20-25 cigarettes of equal weight.
well yeah, cigarettes cause cancer.
i think i've read that joints are bad due to the rolling paper...something like that. vaporizes sounds like the best way to do it...but it's still not good for a persons lungs.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LayYouIn]
#8117466 - 03/07/08 07:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rolling paper most people use is probably 1/3 the size of cigarette paper.
Even zig zag whites which are the thickest I know of is thinner than cigarette paper.
It's the actual burning of the weed. Smoking anything isn't healthy.
Vapes are definately the healthiest though. A water cure removes a lot of oil and chloroform and what not.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: bodynotdead]
#9438714 - 12/15/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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What? They add so much crap to tobacco!
And what ganja are they using to study? Some kind of chemical laden herb without a flush.
Test a really good organic herb that is clean, or hashish!
Not some kind of schwag Government bud or commercial herbs that have been grown with nasty chemical salts in who knows what kind of contaminated soil with what sort of polluted water.
They are just referring to the resin, ya weed has more resin content...but organic tobacco that is fresh and cured nicely isn't exactly missing out on oils/resins.
Oh, and what defines "Toxic", amount has everything to do with it along with introduction rates as well as the body (being old, young, sick and so on).
We probably have more toxins in our work environments, from pollution and in normal homes. Some toxins aren't that toxic if removed from the flesh and some toxins flush out easily.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: TreeMoss]
#9439738 - 12/15/08 08:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am a huge stoner but I always am a little disturbed when I see fellow pot-smokers get sooo defensive about marijuana being harmful. There really should be no debate over this matter. Burning any plant matter and inhaling it in your lungs is damaging to your health. And some plants are worse then others to burn/inhale. Marijuana happens to have lots of alkaloids in it that are damaging. This is not a lie. A very reliable non-biased chemist I know has made this clear to me many times. He can just analyze whether a chemical would be carcinogenic by it's structure and he said pot has MANY carcinogens. He recommended vaporizing if you are going to use it. That is what I do but I still notice some negative effects on my lungs with resin. Not to mention I am still ingesting carcinogens no matter how I ingest cannabis. Hopefully I will make up for it with a macrobiotic diet
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: LightShedder]
#9440967 - 12/15/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice avatar, I have that poster someplace.
Some of us just don't care about body damage unless it's very serious. Many humans live for what we feel is ours, like drugs and we know when it's not good (feels like shit)......so I'm going to die and the G people aren't really protecting me they are harming me.
It's just not the Governments place to say you can't do something in private to yourself.......I do understand protecting people from all the things out there, people that haven't dabbled before.
But for real, they just want to show you pictures of people torn the hell up on meth (and a lot more, other life choices) and just say that is drugs.
I've never known anyone to look like that from meth, or some kid from a party get like that..knew tons of kids on amphetamines in school anyhow.........
But your right, weed is very dangerous.......feeling an illusion of good isn't worth it.....I mean it could take 60 years to kill you!
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: bodynotdead]
#9440982 - 12/15/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I really don't know what to believe to be honest. Some studies show that cannabis smoke is not as damaging as tobacco, others say its more damaging.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: aDoS]
#9442274 - 12/16/08 07:14 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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While I haven't read the study in its entirety, John is fairly spot on.
The authors measured and analyzed the combustion products of marijuana and tobacco smoke (e.g. sidestream and mainstream smoke). They found similarities and differences between the two.
Conclusions about the carcinogenic potential of each are speculative at best.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: badchad]
#9442575 - 12/16/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can't help but think that if they legalize MJ they'd add all those "enhancements" that cigarettes have.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
#9443642 - 12/16/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah tobacco/nicotine are far worse IMO and it probably isn't my opinion but a fact. And I am personally willing to risk the safety hazards of using pot because I just love it sooo much. The coolest plant ever if you ask me. I vaporize it though to minimize negative effects. I'm sure you'd be a lot better of smoking marijuana then a cigarette any day.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: badchad]
#9448813 - 12/17/08 07:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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badchad said: While I haven't read the study in its entirety, John is fairly spot on.
The authors measured and analyzed the combustion products of marijuana and tobacco smoke (e.g. sidestream and mainstream smoke). They found similarities and differences between the two.
Conclusions about the carcinogenic potential of each are speculative at best.
thanks man.
I get frustrated when people attack a study cuz it doesn't jive with their preconceived ideas but they don't bother to read the damn thing.
This news article was total bullshit- especially the headline, but that doesn't mean the study was wrong.
The authors wen out of their way to limit their findings and identify the numerous limitations, and I think its pretty silly that people attack the study based on a bullshit article when it seems the authors had no overt agenda when writing up their findings.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: johnm214]
#9448824 - 12/17/08 07:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually a few months back they released an artical saying that pot kills lung cancer, so I smell a bullshit agenda if I ever seen one...I will look for the article.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: rizingfire]
#9448828 - 12/17/08 07:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn’t It Ironic? Marijuana May Be the Cure for Lung Cancer A U.S. study found that the active ingredient in marijuana may turn out to be an excellent treatment for lung cancer.
Harvard researchers used lab and mouse studies to show that the compound, known as THC, cuts lung tumor growth in half and helps prevent the cancer from spreading. Researchers also demonstrated that THC inhibited the growth and spread of cells from two different lung cancer cell lines and from patient lung tumors.
They injected THC into mice that had been implanted with human lung cancer cells. After three weeks, tumors shrank by about 50%, compared with tumors in untreated mice, says Anju Preet, PhD, a Harvard University researcher in Boston who tested the chemical.
Preet notes that animals injected with THC seem to get “high,” showing signs of clumsiness and getting the munchies. “You would expect to see the same thing in humans, so if this work does pan out, getting the dose right is going to be all important,” she says.
The findings were presented at the annual meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research.
After the presentation, all of the researches got high. OK, not really, but maybe they did.
Note: Inhaling marijuana smoke is actually bad for your lungs. Only the controlled administration of the THC compound was shown to treat lung cancer in lab animals (not party animals).
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: rizingfire]
#9448829 - 12/17/08 07:54 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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granted they are speaking of using it on humans via a vaporisor in the Web MD article which I haven't located yet..
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: rizingfire]
#9448891 - 12/17/08 08:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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support your premise.
And yes, using a vaporizer makes the comparison stupid, but lets assume they didn't.
Show what their agenda is and what evidence exists that it exists. What erroneous conclusions did they draw?
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: johnm214]
#9449154 - 12/17/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I call shenanigans.
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: rope]
#9451285 - 12/17/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tobacco from manufacturers has been enhanced and cleaned whereas cannabis is relatively unprocessed and therefore is a much dirtier product.
I find this hard to beleive. I remember reading somewhere that the carcinogen levels in cigarettes have risen steadily over the past few years. I can only imagine the type of "cleaners" they use. And with a reliable source for weed, you only get nice "unprocessed" herb. Which i always thought was a good thing, but propaganda tells me otherwise, so i may be wrong...Haha. I love propaganda, gives me a good laugh every now and then, almost as good as Garfeild.
Yeah, its a steaming pile of BS. Traditional "processing" according to Marlboro included adding more nicotine and a variety of other nasty chemicals. The only real benefit of a commercial tobacco cigarette is the filter. Slap one on an MJ cig and particulate related health issues decrease greatly. Also, at least one recent study found evidence that MJ smoke is much less carcinogenic to people than expected due to its richness in antioxidants (with cannabinoids themselves apparently among them).
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Re: Cannabis smoke has 20 times more harmful toxins than tobacco [Re: N2loma]
#9451304 - 12/17/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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its far healthier to smoke tobacco from the ground then from the cig packs
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