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Offlinepineal
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so there're these things growin on my lawn...
    #779590 - 07/27/02 06:56 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

...and since they're growing on my lawn, i'm rather curious as to what they are. there are two kinds
here are the pics: http://www.geocities.com/leatherface1138/mush.html
specs: like i said, growing out of the lawn, NE FL. stems are pretty long...a few inches (3-4?) and very very thin. The caps maybe about the size of a dime, to the size of a quarter.
the second kind, growing in a difference patch of grass:
specs: same as above, only drastic size difference. This is one of the smaller caps, maybe the size of one's palm, but some of the bigger ones get to be as 4 times as big. (you'd swear someone threw a frisbee in my yard). stems are pretty thick, and hearty. gotta really tug on em to break em.
thanks, any other info needed?


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Re: so there're these things growin on my lawn... [Re: pineal]
    #779598 - 07/27/02 07:06 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Check your links. I get a default geocities error page when I try to go to any of them. Also (we'll assume they're mushrooms), get spore prints and let us know what color they are.


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Re: so there're these things growin on my lawn... [Re: pineal]
    #779865 - 07/27/02 10:34 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm, that first mushroom looks to me like it is Conocybe lactea, a common, non-edible lawn mushroom.

The second one was a lot harder... The closest I can come is Agaricus meleagris, or the Grayscale; but I could be completely wrong! If I am correct, that mushroom is non-edible as well.

Be sure to wait for other ID'ers, though, as I am quite new at this!


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Re: so there're these things growin on my lawn... [Re: pineal]
    #780322 - 07/27/02 02:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: so there're these things growin on my lawn... [Re: pineal]
    #780384 - 07/27/02 03:35 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The first one resembles Conocybe lactea a very common lawn mushroom. Unfortunately, Conocybes cannot be identified to species accurately without a microscope, so that is only a guess. Conocybe is a dangerous genus, with some very poisonous species and none considered edible.

The second one is a Lepiota of some sort. (RebelSteve - note the appearance of the ring on the stem (movable), the free white gills, and the scaly cap; all are typical of Lepiota) To type to species we need a spore print (it should be either white or greenish-gray) and the bruising reaction of the mushroom. To bruise it, cut it in half vertically (thru the stem and cap), then use your knife blade and scrape the flesh inside the cut vigorously. Watch the color changes for a minute or two and let us know. The dangerous Lepiotas have a greenish-gray spore print (Chlorophyllum molybdites, formerly Lepiota morgana) or bruise brown (Lepiota brunnea), or are small (less than 3 inches across for mature specimens). If you've got a white spore print and it doesn't bruise brown, then you've got an eater! The edible Lepiota species are some of the best edible wild mushrooms available. Note, by the way, that the small Lepiota species include mushrooms responsible for fatalities within the last few years, so make sure that your Lepiotas are more than 3 inches across when mature.


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    #780696 - 07/27/02 06:35 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Lepiota rachodes often bruises reddish, and is considered a good edible. I would guess that some of the "allergic" or "individual" reactions to various Lepiotas have probably been due to Chlorophyllum molybdites. Some of them are also going to be true allergic or individual reactions.

The list of characters I use for determining edible Lepiotas is from Edible Wild Mushrooms of North America by David W. Fischer and Alan E. Bessette. Mr. Fischer is an excellent amateur mycologist who has been President of the Central New York Mycological Society, and he has coauthored several books. Dr. Bessette is a PhD professional mycologist who teaches at Utica College of Syracuse University. This particular book is the best reference I have seen for beginning pot-hunters, primarily because it lists a fairly easy set of definitive characters to observe for the ID of each species or group of species. It also has outstanding photos of all the species. For the Lepiotas in the book the list is:

1. Open caps more than 3 inches wide, with white flesh showing between tan or pinkish to reddish brown fairly concentric scales.
2. Cap flesh thick, white; not staining immediately brown when cut.
3. Gills free from stalk, very closely spaced, white to dingy white or tinted reddish.
4. Thick, white, membranous partial veil covering gills at first, then leaving a movable, bandlike ring on upper stalk.
5. Stalk smooth, much thicker at middle or base; white at top, tan to reddish brown below, bruising yellow, orange, or reddish brown; or stalk slender, showing white between tiny brownish scales; base bulbous.
6. Thickest part of stalk (or its base) at least one inch thick.
7. No volva present.
8. Spore print white, not greenish.

Some of those are clearly meant to get the IDer to verify that they have a Lepiota, and the rest are designed to eliminate the toxic species within the genus (or mushrooms which are similar enough to confuse somebody).

BTW, this book is available from the Shroomery (3rd page) for $24.50.


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Re: so there're these things growin on my lawn... [Re: pineal]
    #781514 - 07/28/02 08:21 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

hey dude,

check out my latest post "basket full of pan casters".
that could possibly be the smaller shrooms you are finding.

good luck,
keep in touch,
GGreatOne234Sporz.


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Re: so there're these things growin on my lawn... [Re: ToxicMan]
    #783006 - 07/28/02 11:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Good post, Toxic!


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