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Did i finally find Cyans.....
#7794146 - 12/23/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Found 2 species in Sac today. I'll start with the one i think is active first, the second later.
SPECIES 1 SUSPECTED PSILOCYBE CYANESCENS
Habitat: Suspected alder woodchips(no woodchip expert but looks like all the pics i've seen, grey, longer than wide) Last rain: 2-4 days
Location: SACRAMENTO CA
Pileus:
Size:1.5-4 cm shape:plane to uplifted ,upwardly wavy margin color:brown to tan to off white Surface:smooth, dry Pellicle peels fairly easy) Taste: No taste, woody if anything.
Most likely hygrophanous,(tiny young specimens were a much darker brown, while the mature older dried up specimens were tan)
Lamellae:
Spacing:close Color: darker tan to brown (some darker than others) Attachment:Adnexed(narrowly attached) {but hard to tell, specimens are pretty small}
Stipe:
Length:4-5cm Color:tan, a little lighter than pileus Texture:spongy to tough, possibly but not likely hollow, Appears to have slight lines running in circles down to base
Veil: none observed
Bruising:Edges of margin turned darker, (possibly) dark green or blue. Stipe seemed to darken upon handling as well. Mycellium attached to base had definite blueing in one specimen, less so in others.
Spore color:In progress
Notes: Unofortunately most seemed old and dried (possibly dead).Also all specimens were pretty small. I suspect its hygrophanous(pileus seems similiar tan to Psathyrella foenesecii's I've observed after loising moisture. hoping it's not to late to get a spore print.










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those are awful close but I do not know. COuld be a bit dry from the dry air. I could Id them if i saw the location that you picked them. Just kidding, but I could Id them if I saw them in person but.......... Take a pic in an area with more light so that the flash doesnt go off on the camera. Damn they look close to old cyans but i would have to say no unless we get better pictures
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
#7794220 - 12/23/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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rhandy, do they taste/smell like fresh cubes? All psilocybes kind of give you that kick in the back of your throat. Do Not Eat, I would say not to even just lick/taste but it seems that you already had.
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
#7794255 - 12/23/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's been a while since i had fresh cubes but my fist response would be no, Cubes were disgusting to me, while these have almost no taste, they do taste a bit woody. Would it harm me to chew a whole cap for maybe 10 seconds to get a better taste?
As for the cam that was with the flash off, I'll try a few lighter pics.
It has been dry and hasn't rained for a few days in sac. Any idea what other possibilities it could be, I.E. poisonous look alikes to this. Keep in mind AT LEAST one did stain blue. never heard of a cyan look alike that stains blue.Probablly wouldn't even mind giving you the location i'm so anxious just to see if they ARE cyans.
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After smelling a bit more, they do smell likes cubes mixed with woody chips. Really want to try them but i don't feel like spending the night in the emergency room again so i think i'll wait and keep hunting. Unless a few people (like Alan) can POSITIVELY assure me they are.
Been hunting for my first actives for 2 fucking years now. Getting a tat of the first one i do as soon as i do.
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no one will assure that they are with those pics. No need for you to spend the night. They do not look like galerinas but I do not know what they are. I would not recomend chewing one to get a taste then spitting it out although I doupt it would harm you.
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fresh or dry cubes, and fresh or dry cyans, taste nothing alike.
not that i would know but its a fact among many. cyans taste much worse! but theres definitely *some* similarity. still nothing to be using when identifying mushrooms that could possibly be deadly galerinas.
those dont look like cyans, their overall shape looks similar, but theres something off about them. especially the stems color.
a spore print would be VERY useful in this situation.
theres not enough good clear light in your photos either, it may be hard to photo them at night, and it seems your using a desk light, but red seems to be a dominant color and things just arent well lit in your photos. try setting your camera to "cool" color setting if possible and try taking some more photos.
right off the bat ide say your very close, some of them look like cyans, one or two even resembles stuntzii, however it can be a dangerous gamble in this case and i would not suggest chewing them up.
chewing and tasting mushrooms and spitting them out is not deadly, swallowing even a little piece of flesh (even a gill fragment) tho, IS, and youve poisoned yourself before unknowingly with certain mushrooms, so i know u know the "easiest" of danger. amatoxicity is nothing to fuck with tho unless ur in line for a new liver. you could easily have a galerina species there. please be careful.
try and get some habitat photos, try and photo them in a more lit-up environment, and please get back to us with a spore print color. otherwise, dont chew them up finely, theres a possibility u could digest a little piece of flesh.
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: eyefyndum]
#7794314 - 12/23/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for all the info. I would have gotten habbitat shots but i didn't have a camera. So excited i went and spent a a chunk of change on a fairly decent camerea just for these. Hopefully the print will be ready tomorrow.
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the stem is off, the cap is good for being dry and the spores on the cap from the other mushrooms look good. BUT........................ Fire that new camera and get some better pics with better lighting.
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
#7794342 - 12/23/07 11:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think i can see some blueing on the stipe base in that fourth last photo no?
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: undergrounder]
#7794384 - 12/24/07 12:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah not that camera playing tricks i would definately say there was heavey blue staining in AT LEAST one of them.
Any suggestions on cams every one i seem to get is excellent for quality pics.......except for close ups... ..which is all i need
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canon, fuji, make the best digi cams. I prefer canon. If you have one then look for the macro setting. usually its a pic of a flower for the setting. This setting allows the camera to focus on very close objects, within 6 inches. Take the pic in the kitchen, bathroom with the lights on so that the camera doesnt have to use the flash or take the picture with a black background so the flash doesnt reflect into the pic. Dont hold the mushroom and the camera. They will both move slightly and go out of focus.
Ps thanks for not using a camera phone
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
#7794415 - 12/24/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sure does look like them to me, but I'm only 98% sure, so i suggest drying them fully and waiting until you meet up with a more experienced Cyan hunter than yourself, and asking them if they seem right. Also, water the place you found them if possible, or just check it closely after rains, and see what pops up in that same location.
My biggest concern is the possibility of a poisonous mushroom getting mixed up with dried Cyans.
Don't eat them, at least not yet.
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randy420rhoads said: After smelling a bit more, they do smell likes cubes mixed with woody chips. Really want to try them but i don't feel like spending the night in the emergency room again so i think i'll wait and keep hunting. Unless a few people (like Alan) can POSITIVELY assure me they are.
Been hunting for my first actives for 2 fucking years now. Getting a tat of the first one i do as soon as i do.
go to gnc, buy some liver clean supplements with milk thistle extract in them, then eat the shrooms. if you do not trip, start poppin those liver clean's like they're candy. 
just kidding...but you would be okay. you would get diahrrea but that's it.
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Tyler. That is HORRIBLE advice.
Please, no one do that. milk thistle extracts are experimental still, and very concentrated forms have been used to treat mushroom poisoning, but using them in the way you describe is like using the abortion pill as a form of birth control. It's just stupid.
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: CureCat]
#7795993 - 12/24/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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rhandy, I checked the area for you today. I didnt find any actives. I did find 2 other species. I will post the pics. If what you have is what I posted then you are way off. btw, Cyans are not fond of the type of wood chips in that area. Too much bark. I am starting to think that you surely do not have cyans. Although I did spray the area with live mycelium last season since I drive right by there on the way to the bay but this is experimental and I can not gaurentee it
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
#7796523 - 12/24/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Spore print seems dark brownish with a HINT of purple. If these aren't Cyans I would think these are stuntzii because of the size and blueing except none had any trace of a veil. I just wonder why they stained blue if they aren't cyans . Anyone ever heard of such a close look alike that stains blue?
Tahoe, I'm a bit confused, what chips do Cyans prefer if not those.? They look exactly like the chips i've seen in many pics of Cyans.
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randy420rhoads said: Spore print seems dark brownish with a HINT of purple. If these aren't Cyans I would think these are stuntzii because of the size and blueing except none had any trace of a veil. I just wonder why they stained blue if they aren't cyans . Anyone ever heard of such a close look alike that stains blue?
Tahoe, I'm a bit confused, what chips do Cyans prefer if not those.? They look exactly like the chips i've seen in many pics of Cyans.
Here is the other species i found.


I think its likely that at least some of your first find are active Psilocybes. When i find a dry patch of subaeruginosa the colour and texture is very similar. Its also not uncommon to get that yellowing of the stems.
Personally i would keep the ones that have the obvious blueing and chuck the rest. I'd eat a 1/4 a cap of one of the blueing ones to test and then if i was still alive i'd eat those.
I can see blueing on the cap in the second picture in your second set. I reckon they are active but i'm not 100% sure. Again i'd chuck the ones that don't blue just to be on the safe side.
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: undergrounder]
#7797675 - 12/25/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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why you did not put more pictures of your fist find to see more bluing i mean i know it happed 2 days ago but , you can post many pictures until we are done with it, , some see like bluing but maybe you have a mix of hypholoma fasciculare and some actives, i was thinking stunzii also but you can´t find a ring, i guee is that what you have 2 or 3 active and the rest hypholoma , you coud tell the diference if all drop spores, and for the bluing, all my best vibrations,
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: cactu]
#7797932 - 12/25/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Unless i'm feeling suicidal and don't care if i die (most likely not gonna happen):) I don't think i'm gonna take the chance and eat them because they're all to dry now to see which ones were blueing, I'll upload some pics of the spore print from the suspected cyans in a bit.
Any idea what the second species is? It had a rust brown spore print.
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> Any idea what the second species is? It had a rust brown spore print.
Probably a Gymnopilus species. It also looks like Hypholoma fasciculare, but that is toxic and has a purple brown spore print.
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us pros would even be able to tell if their cyans from dried samples. Take some f'n pics. This would be big news for us central valley folk and auweia wish would come true. He doesnt want us valley folk coming and taking his bay area mushrooms.
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
#7800654 - 12/26/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Amazing what a difference the bright morning sun makes in pictures. Spore print looks purple brown to me Don't know what dried cyans look like but there's still visible blue on them.










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they are close but i can not give them the okay. very possibly can be cyans but.......
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
#7800697 - 12/26/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's up with this Hypholoma fasciculare. "but that is toxic and has a purple brown spore print" could these be them?
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: CureCat]
#7800783 - 12/26/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edit: deinately NOT Hypholoma fasciculare
Edited by randy420rhoads (12/26/07 12:35 PM)
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EDIT: got 400x magnification. Spores are blackish-purple and eleptical.
Edited by randy420rhoads (12/26/07 12:32 PM)
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> EDIT: got 400x magnification. Spores are blackish-purple and eleptical.
That sounds right for P. cyanescens, however Hypholoma fasciculare spores also fit that description.
Even at 400x, if you had P. cyanescens and H. fasciculare spores next to each other, the Hypholoma spores would be noticably smaller.
I am 90% convinced that these are Psilocybe cyanescens. I can't really see the blue too well in the pictures, but if they are still blue/blackening, it is definitely that species.
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>That sounds right for P. cyanescens, however Hypholoma fasciculare spores also fit that description.
Is this just some usefull info for me or do you think it's a possibitlity these are Hypholoma fasciculare? They look abosulutely nothing alike to me.
>I am 90% convinced that these are Psilocybe cyanescens. I can't really see the blue too well in the pictures, but if they are still blue/blackening, it is definitely that species.
Would you consider 90% safe enough to try them?:) Already know the answer but thought i'd ask I got a second opinion from someone(they don't know shit about mycology) but i asked what color they looked and they said definately blue.
What other posibble look alikes could this be? Any poisonous look alikes? And if some are Cyans is there a chance some are not? (they all look identical to me though).
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> Is this just some usefull info for me or do you think it's a possibitlity these are Hypholoma fasciculare? They look abosulutely nothing alike to me.
Just useful info. Hypholoma fasciculare will be really yellow, you'd notice.
> Would you consider 90% safe enough to try them?
I can't really see them that well from here.
> What other posibble look alikes could this be? Any poisonous look alikes?
Given the spore print color, H. fasciculare is the only poisonous one that I know of.
> And if some are Cyans is there a chance some are not?
If you didn't spore print them all, there is a chance that some Agrocybe or Stropharia has slipped in.
If they all have bluing, they should be ok.
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Well fuck, here we go again. Hopefully not another trip to the E.R...
All but the clump of 4 had noticable blueing. I guess i'll chuck those and try the rest in the next few days.
Hopefully no poisonous Agrocybe or Stropharia look this close to cyans. I thought they might be Agrocybe praecox but the blueing rules that out.
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> Hopefully no poisonous Agrocybe or Stropharia look this close to cyans.
Agrocybe more of a tan brown spore print. The dark print you posted is not Agrocybe, however the very light print at the top of the photo could be. Or it could be a light cyan print.
> I thought they might be Agrocybe praecox but the blueing rules that out. > Well fuck, here we go again. Hopefully not another trip to the E.R...
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The light print at the top was from species number 2. Rust brown i would not even think of eating the cyans had i gotten that light of a print out of it.
I'll let everyone know the results in the next few days.
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Dude, you just picked a bunch of Hypholoma mushrooms... They are very toxic and are not oftenley posted on this site as suspected cyan’s… If you’re feeling suicidal then I sudjest that you check your self into a mental institution... Also your lip tattoo and hairy cigarette smoking skull tattoo are stupid...
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: NWDude]
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NWDude said: Dude, you just picked a bunch of Hypholoma mushrooms... They are very toxic and are not oftenley posted on this site as suspected cyan’s… If you’re feeling suicidal then I sudjest that you check your self into a mental institution... Also your lip tattoo and hairy cigarette smoking skull tattoo are stupid...
Huh? I thought he's been actually pretty careful and smart.
I've seen Hyphalomas posted here as possible woodloving actives, hell even i've posted Hyphalomas thinking they might be active. click.
We're all just relying on some grainy photos of very dessicated mushrooms and only randy can be a true judge. IF there's definite blue bruising like he says and as appear in some of those photos, then some of them are most likely cyans. If not, they could be a range of other things like Alan said. With a purple print, Hyphaloma seems a good fit.
Eating just a quarter of a cap from a blueing mushroom would be a good idea to check that its OK.
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: NWDude]
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NWDude said: Dude, you just picked a bunch of Hypholoma mushrooms... They are very toxic and are not oftenley posted on this site as suspected cyan’s… If you’re feeling suicidal then I sudjest that you check your self into a mental institution... Also your lip tattoo and hairy cigarette smoking skull tattoo are stupid...
Don't be a jerk. You are off base.
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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: CureCat]
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CureCat said: Tyler. That is HORRIBLE advice.
Please, no one do that. milk thistle extracts are experimental still, and very concentrated forms have been used to treat mushroom poisoning, but using them in the way you describe is like using the abortion pill as a form of birth control. It's just stupid.
RU-486? people have died from it?? And please, I said I was kidding in my first post...no one's gonna read a joke and try it out.
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<Dude, you just picked a bunch of Hypholoma mushrooms... They are very toxic and are not oftenley posted on this site as suspected cyan’s
If you're talking about Hyplhoma Fasciculare, It's definately not that. There is DEFINITE blueing in most which to my knowledge rules out any Hyphloma. If you know of any blue bruising Hyphloma then let me know.
<If you’re feeling suicidal then I sudjest that you check your self into a mental institution...
A joke... If i was sucidal i would kill myself and not waste time talking about it.
<Also your lip tattoo and hairy cigarette smoking skull tattoo are stupid...
That was uncalled for.Grow up and keep your dumbass comments to yourself. You don't like my tattoo of a guitar legend then fuck off. You're either a very ignorant kid or a very immature adult and i feel sorry for you.
I ate a quarter cap of a blueing one yesterday. Haven't noticed anything yet so i feel pretty safe. One last check before i dose, ANY possible ideas of a look alike, especially poisonous. Bluing or not bluing. Hypholoma fasciculare seems like the only one people have suggested, but it looks nothing alike to me.
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randy420rhoads


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: undergrounder]
#7804373 - 12/27/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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randy420rhoads said: Spore print seems dark brownish with a HINT of purple. If these aren't Cyans I would think these are stuntzii because of the size and blueing except none had any trace of a veil. I just wonder why they stained blue if they aren't cyans . Anyone ever heard of such a close look alike that stains blue?
Tahoe, I'm a bit confused, what chips do Cyans prefer if not those.? They look exactly like the chips i've seen in many pics of Cyans.
Here is the other species i found.


I think its likely that at least some of your first find are active Psilocybes. When i find a dry patch of subaeruginosa the colour and texture is very similar. Its also not uncommon to get that yellowing of the stems.
Personally i would keep the ones that have the obvious blueing and chuck the rest. I'd eat a 1/4 a cap of one of the blueing ones to test and then if i was still alive i'd eat those.
I can see blueing on the cap in the second picture in your second set. I reckon they are active but i'm not 100% sure. Again i'd chuck the ones that don't blue just to be on the safe side.
Enjoy
You think the second species is active?? 
I don't think so but hey...you probablly know alot more...It had a rust brown print so i'm not even going to try.
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