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Did i finally find Cyans.....
    #7794146 - 12/23/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Found 2 species in Sac today. I'll start with the one i think is active first, the second later.




SPECIES 1 SUSPECTED PSILOCYBE CYANESCENS



Habitat: Suspected alder woodchips(no woodchip expert but looks like all the pics i've seen, grey, longer than wide)
Last rain: 2-4 days

Location: SACRAMENTO CA




Pileus:

Size:1.5-4 cm
shape:plane to uplifted ,upwardly wavy margin
color:brown to tan to off white
Surface:smooth, dry Pellicle peels fairly easy)
Taste: No taste, woody if anything.

Most likely hygrophanous,(tiny young specimens were a much darker brown, while the mature older dried up specimens were tan)


Lamellae:

Spacing:close
Color: darker tan to brown (some darker than others)
Attachment:Adnexed(narrowly attached) {but hard to tell, specimens are pretty small}


Stipe:

Length:4-5cm
Color:tan, a little lighter than pileus
Texture:spongy to tough, possibly but not likely hollow, Appears to have slight lines running in circles down to base


Veil: none observed


Bruising:Edges of margin turned darker, (possibly) dark green or blue. Stipe seemed to darken upon handling as well. Mycellium attached to base had definite blueing in one specimen, less so in others.

Spore color:In progress




Notes: Unofortunately most seemed old and dried (possibly dead).Also all specimens were pretty small. I suspect its hygrophanous(pileus seems similiar tan to Psathyrella foenesecii's I've observed after loising moisture. hoping it's not to late to get a spore print.
























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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: randy420rhoads]
    #7794214 - 12/23/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

those are awful close but I do not know. COuld be a bit dry from the dry air. I could Id them if i saw the location that you picked them. Just kidding, but I could Id them if I saw them in person but..........
Take a pic in an area with more light so that the flash doesnt go off on the camera.
Damn they look close to old cyans but i would have to say no unless we get better pictures


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
    #7794220 - 12/23/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

rhandy, do they taste/smell like fresh cubes? All psilocybes kind of give you that kick in the back of your throat. Do Not Eat, I would say not to even just lick/taste but it seems that you already had.


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
    #7794255 - 12/23/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's been a while since i had fresh cubes but my fist response would be no, Cubes were disgusting to me, while these have almost no taste, they do taste a bit woody. Would it harm me to chew a whole cap for maybe 10 seconds to get a better taste?

As for the cam that was with the flash off, I'll try a few lighter pics.

It has been dry and hasn't rained for a few days in sac. Any idea what other possibilities it could be, I.E. poisonous look alikes to this. Keep in mind AT LEAST one did stain blue. never heard of a cyan look alike that stains blue.Probablly wouldn't even mind giving you the location i'm so anxious just to see if they ARE cyans.


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: randy420rhoads]
    #7794269 - 12/23/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

After smelling a bit more, they do smell likes cubes mixed with woody chips. Really want to try them but i don't feel like spending the night in the emergency room again so i think i'll wait and keep hunting. Unless a few people (like Alan) can POSITIVELY assure me they are.

Been hunting for my first actives for 2 fucking years now. Getting a tat of the first one i do as soon as i do.


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: randy420rhoads]
    #7794280 - 12/23/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

no one will assure that they are with those pics.
No need for you to spend the night. They do not look like galerinas but I do not know what they are. I would not recomend chewing one to get a taste then spitting it out although I doupt it would harm you.


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: randy420rhoads]
    #7794283 - 12/23/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

fresh or dry cubes, and fresh or dry cyans, taste nothing alike.

not that i would know :smirk:
but its a fact among many.
cyans taste much worse! but theres definitely *some* similarity. still nothing to be using when identifying mushrooms that could possibly be deadly galerinas.

those dont look like cyans, their overall shape looks similar, but theres something off about them. especially the stems color.

a spore print would be VERY useful in this situation.

theres not enough good clear light in your photos either, it may be hard to photo them at night, and it seems your using a desk light, but red seems to be a dominant color and things just arent well lit in your photos. try setting your camera to "cool" color setting if possible and try taking some more photos.

right off the bat ide say your very close, some of them look like cyans, one or two even resembles stuntzii, however it can be a dangerous gamble in this case and i would not suggest chewing them up.

chewing and tasting mushrooms and spitting them out is not deadly, swallowing even a little piece of flesh (even a gill fragment) tho, IS, and youve poisoned yourself before unknowingly with certain mushrooms, so i know u know the "easiest" of danger. amatoxicity is nothing to fuck with tho unless ur in line for a new liver. you could easily have a galerina species there. please be careful.

try and get some habitat photos, try and photo them in a more lit-up environment, and please get back to us with a spore print color. otherwise, dont chew them up finely, theres a possibility u could digest a little piece of flesh.


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: eyefyndum]
    #7794314 - 12/23/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for all the info. I would have gotten habbitat shots but i didn't have a camera. So excited i went and spent a a chunk of change on a fairly decent camerea just for these. Hopefully the print will be ready tomorrow.


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: randy420rhoads]
    #7794332 - 12/23/07 11:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the stem is off, the cap is good for being dry and the spores on the cap from the other mushrooms look good. BUT........................
Fire that new camera and get some better pics with better lighting.


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
    #7794342 - 12/23/07 11:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think i can see some blueing on the stipe base in that fourth last photo no?


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: undergrounder]
    #7794384 - 12/24/07 12:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah not that camera playing tricks i would definately say there was heavey blue staining in AT LEAST one of them.

Any suggestions on cams every one i seem to get is excellent for quality pics.......except for close ups...:rolleyes:..which is all i need


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: randy420rhoads]
    #7794410 - 12/24/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

canon, fuji, make the best digi cams. I prefer canon.
If you have one then look for the macro setting. usually its a pic of a flower for the setting.
This setting allows the camera to focus on very close objects, within 6 inches. Take the pic in the kitchen, bathroom with the lights on so that the camera doesnt have to use the flash or take the picture with a black background so the flash doesnt reflect into the pic. Dont hold the mushroom and the camera. They will both move slightly and go out of focus.

Ps thanks for not using a camera phone


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
    #7794415 - 12/24/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: randy420rhoads]
    #7794645 - 12/24/07 02:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sure does look like them to me, but I'm only 98% sure, so i suggest drying them fully and waiting until you meet up with a more experienced Cyan hunter than yourself, and asking them if they seem right. Also, water the place you found them if possible, or just check it closely after rains, and see what pops up in that same location.

My biggest concern is the possibility of a poisonous mushroom getting mixed up with dried Cyans.

Don't eat them, at least not yet.


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: randy420rhoads]
    #7795659 - 12/24/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

randy420rhoads said:
After smelling a bit more, they do smell likes cubes mixed with woody chips. Really want to try them but i don't feel like spending the night in the emergency room again so i think i'll wait and keep hunting. Unless a few people (like Alan) can POSITIVELY assure me they are.

Been hunting for my first actives for 2 fucking years now. Getting a tat of the first one i do as soon as i do.




go to gnc, buy some liver clean supplements with milk thistle extract in them, then eat the shrooms. if you do not trip, start poppin those liver clean's like they're candy.  :wink:

just kidding...but you would be okay. you would get diahrrea but that's it.


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #7795784 - 12/24/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Tyler. That is HORRIBLE advice.

Please, no one do that. milk thistle extracts are experimental still, and very concentrated forms have been used to treat mushroom poisoning, but using them in the way you describe is like using the abortion pill as a form of birth control. It's just stupid.


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: CureCat]
    #7795993 - 12/24/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

rhandy,
I checked the area for you today. I didnt find any actives. I did find 2 other species. I will post the pics. If what you have is what I posted then you are way off.
btw, Cyans are not fond of the type of wood chips in that area. Too much bark. I am starting to think that you surely do not have cyans. Although I did spray the area with live mycelium last season since I drive right by there on the way to the bay but this is experimental and I can not gaurentee it


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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: tahoe]
    #7796523 - 12/24/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Spore print seems dark brownish with a HINT of purple. If these aren't Cyans I would think these are stuntzii because of the size and blueing except none had any trace of a veil. I just wonder why they stained blue if they aren't cyans . Anyone ever heard of such a close look alike that stains blue?


Tahoe, I'm a bit confused, what chips do Cyans prefer if not those.? They look exactly like the chips i've seen in many pics of Cyans.



Here is the other species i found.







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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: randy420rhoads]
    #7797083 - 12/24/07 11:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Spore print seems dark brownish with a HINT of purple. If these aren't Cyans I would think these are stuntzii because of the size and blueing except none had any trace of a veil. I just wonder why they stained blue if they aren't cyans . Anyone ever heard of such a close look alike that stains blue?


Tahoe, I'm a bit confused, what chips do Cyans prefer if not those.? They look exactly like the chips i've seen in many pics of Cyans.



Here is the other species i found.











I think its likely that at least some of your first find are active Psilocybes. When i find a dry patch of subaeruginosa the colour and texture is very similar. Its also not uncommon to get that yellowing of the stems.

Personally i would keep the ones that have the obvious blueing and chuck the rest. I'd eat a 1/4 a cap of one of the blueing ones to test and then if i was still alive i'd eat those.

I can see blueing on the cap in the second picture in your second set. I reckon they are active but i'm not 100% sure. Again i'd chuck the ones that don't blue just to be on the safe side.

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Re: Did i finally find Cyans..... [Re: undergrounder]
    #7797675 - 12/25/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

why you did not put more pictures of your fist find to see more bluing i mean i know it happed 2 days ago but , you can post many pictures until we are done with it, , some see like bluing but maybe you have a mix of hypholoma fasciculare and some actives, i was thinking stunzii also but you can´t find a ring, i guee is that what you have 2 or 3 active and the rest hypholoma , you coud tell the diference if all drop spores, and for the bluing,
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