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Re: New bleach bath mezatapecs! Pics [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7795118 - 12/24/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The yield does NOT suck from using bagged cow manure. It only sucks if the grower does not know how to properly prepare it. Steer manure actually has more food that cubensis prefers than horse manure.

Bleach pasteurization has been around for a long time. Personally, I prefer other methods, but it works, and the bleach is not drawn into the mushrooms.
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well there you go then....RR always makes me feel like such a dumbass ... i should have said in MY experience black kow yeild sucks. time to go read my ass off again. maybe RR will be kind enough to come back through and drop a link to the bagged cow poo method he would use to outperform horse manure.


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Re: New bleach bath mezatapecs! Pics [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7795132 - 12/24/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i should have said in MY experience black kow yield sucks.




I think the problem is that most (if not all) store bought poo or poo/hummus mix varies by where in the US it is sold, so its impossible for a grower in one part of the country to recommend a product to another grower in another part of the country with consistent results.


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Re: New bleach bath mezatapecs! Pics [Re: simplemachine]
    #7795219 - 12/24/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I think the problem is that most (if not all) store bought poo or poo/hummus mix varies by where in the US it is sold




Correct. Another issue is that many cattle farmers salt their cows heavily to get them to drink more water (and produce more milk), so that can affect the quality of the dung as well. Since salt is water soluble, leeching can fix this. If you can find bagged STEER manure, that may solve that problem.

If you have trouble growing on straight bagged manure even after leeching it, try mixing it 50/50 with coir and/or other additives.


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Re: New bleach bath mezatapecs! Pics [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7795240 - 12/24/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
The yield does NOT suck from using bagged cow manure. It only sucks if the grower does not know how to properly prepare it. Steer manure actually has more food that cubensis prefers than horse manure.

Bleach pasteurization has been around for a long time. Personally, I prefer other methods, but it works, and the bleach is not drawn into the mushrooms.
RR




RR i was advised against using black kow as well, in the past...i would like to know: what ratios of what additives would you recommend to all of those people living in cities where bagged manure is all they can find? keeping in mind that straw would be about equally as hard to find as manure. so many people would likely use coir/verm in place of straw.
please enlighten us on how to prepare bagged poo for optimal results.
which additives and at what ratios

sorry to hijack but i was told about a year ago that bagged poo (black kow in particular) was the worst possible sub and to never use it.

*edit* found this on another thread (search ftw)

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Letting manure sit for a day or two will do nothing.

Furthermore the stuff you bought from teh store 1) is cpoo, and markedly less suitable for growing (it's fine, it'll work...but you'll need to combine with straw).

Also store bought manure is not only aged, but composted. There will be no problem using it as-is. Black dirt.


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I strongly disagree. Setting it out in the sun is the preferred procedure. The sun and air will flash away the ammonia from the urea. I rarely combine bagged cow manure with straw. Vermiculite is actually a better choice because it serves as a moisture reservoir. As for mycelium food, it takes a LOT of straw to do much good, but cow manure is actually higher in mushroom food than horse manure. Cut it with vermiculite after letting it sit in the sun for a few days, add up to ten percent gypsum to the amount of the manure, hydrate, pasteurize for an hour to an hour and a half at 140F to 170F and use. Good luck.
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Re: New bleach bath mezatapecs! Pics [Re: CrazyEarl]
    #7795987 - 12/24/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yup. Thanks for searching. I have to type that about once a month. Lots of noobs badmouth bagged cow manure because they hear other noobs badmouth it. The stuff works great if properly prepared. I live in a large city too, but have no trouble getting horse manure, straw, organic rye berries, etc. It can all be found.
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Re: New bleach bath mezatapecs! Pics [Re: lipa]
    #7796094 - 12/24/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wow! All I wanted to do is share some pics and maybe share a recipe. lol!!

I will say though that I got Into growing mushrooms after seeing beautiful clusters of p. cubensis and panaeolus mushrooms fruiting strait from giant cow patties as a teen in oklahoma back woods on farmers land.


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