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Drewwyann
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Social Awkwardness.
#7793838 - 12/23/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Me and some friends decided to dose today at around 12:30. It was a pretty fun day, and then we decided to smoke.
so after we got done smoking a few bowls, the social awkwardness sets in (awkward is an awkward word).
I have never felt so weird towards one of my own friends before. I felt hated by them. Even though no words were exchanged, it was as if we had realized something in our two souls weren't compatable and a disagreement about something was made.
I can't possibly explain it well. But it was so profound. It made me feel so terrible. It was so weird.
I'm still trying to relive that moment. has anyone else had this happen?
Whenever you are with some friends, and you are all tripping/high, and you are the only one talking, and you feel so awkward.
I really don't know how this sounds to anyone else, but see if you can't make sense of some of it at least.
anyway...
anyone else where I am right now?
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7793842 - 12/23/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let it go...coming down off acid can be a delicate time as your ego settles back in. Sounds like you were just seeing your shadow. I wouldn't worry about it. Just focus on love.
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Drewwyann
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: MOTH]
#7793859 - 12/23/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't want to let it go though. I just can't explain what happened, and I want to delve deeper into it and find out what it was, but I can't because I don't know what it was.
It was so negative though. So severely negative. Whatever it was, it came in and smashed me like a cannon ball.
My heart sank, and I felt so victimized and helpless.
It was one of the worst feelings I've had in a long while. But I don't know why it happened. I can definitely see why some people wouldn't be able to take LSD.
It really did scare the hell out of me. But it was so beautiful in how it did it.
We were all sitting there, with a lit bong between us in a circle, and no one was talking.
So i start mumbling, sort of commenting on how pathetic we are, that we are on the floor with a bong, instead of the couch. And I was really just talking in order to get some one else to talk. It was so quiet, and making eye contact was weird without words.
So whenever I started mumbling, they began to look at me. And then they were asking me why I was mumbling, I asked them why they were looking at me, and it went on, and then it just got so weird I can't explain.
It was so negative though. I hope some of my explaining has done a justice.
Edit: and damn, sufjan stevens is good.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7793862 - 12/23/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I get this vibe from your post that is awfully familiar...I've hit rough patches like that before. I don't know what stems from it. But you can't chase it that way, trying to figure out what caused it, in a way I think that's what makes it worse, like you pick up on this negative feeling and then you just end up trying to follow it, and it only leads you to more dark places. When in reality, all is probably fine...I think the fact that one is so in touch with oneself while simultaneously experiencing boundary dissolution in a social setting can be extremely difficult to navigate through, but isn't that the challenge? You feel like the center of the universe, and so you feel like your voice is booming and when you talk all eyes and the spotlights of the world are upon you...but you have to see beyond yourself.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7793863 - 12/23/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's the elephant in the room that nobody wants to acknowledge, lol. I've been there.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7793874 - 12/23/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drewwyann said: I don't want to let it go though. I just can't explain what happened, and I want to delve deeper into it and find out what it was, but I can't because I don't know what it was.
It was so negative though. So severely negative. Whatever it was, it came in and smashed me like a cannon ball.
My heart sank, and I felt so victimized and helpless.
It was one of the worst feelings I've had in a long while. But I don't know why it happened. I can definitely see why some people wouldn't be able to take LSD.
It really did scare the hell out of me. But it was so beautiful in how it did it.
We were all sitting there, with a lit bong between us in a circle, and no one was talking.
So i start mumbling, sort of commenting on how pathetic we are, that we are on the floor with a bong, instead of the couch. And I was really just talking in order to get some one else to talk. It was so quiet, and making eye contact was weird without words.
So whenever I started mumbling, they began to look at me. And then they were asking me why I was mumbling, I asked them why they were looking at me, and it went on, and then it just got so weird I can't explain.
It was so negative though. I hope some of my explaining has done a justice.
Just remember that no experience in life is inherantly negative or positive. Everything just is. It's the interpretations and labeling we attach to experiences that create the impression of negative or positive at all.
I wonder why you chose to react to the experience so negatively? Why were you uncomfortable with silence? Why did you need the presence of words to feel comfortable?
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: MOTH]
#7793878 - 12/23/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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MOTH said: Why were you uncomfortable with silence? Why did you need the presence of words to feel comfortable?
My interpretation? Because psychedelic experiences awaken in us that stirring that first gave birth to self-awareness, and language is our attempt to reconcile our anxiety with the fact...but hey, maybe that's just me.
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Drewwyann
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: enesi]
#7793894 - 12/23/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dunno. I know I shouldn't follow it, and I can't even, but it was just so...
I wish I could explain it. You put it pretty nicely.
Social interaction... What a weird thing....
I just need to sleep. But I'm way too far into the trip to even think about sleep yet.
I find myself hating myself in ways. But in that, its beautiful.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7793903 - 12/23/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had plenty situations like this. Bad weed=bad vibes
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7793904 - 12/23/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drewwyann said: I find myself hating myself in ways. But in that, its beautiful.
Try and work past that initial revulsion and just realize...tripping provides you with a wonderful opportunity to take some time to really work on yourself, as a human being, simply by experiencing yourself and sort of conversing with yourself...look at the things you don't like about yourself and think on them.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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Hmm...I guess communication could be considered a result of anxious self-awareness seeking support and validation from neighboring universal bodies. It seems that modern minds grow restless and uneasy in silence (without verbal validation) and that interests me for obvious reasons, because I am one of them.
To the OP: I was probing deeper out of curiousity. It just seemed according to your tale like you got uncomfortable with the situation (setting) and it sent your trip in an unexpected direction. But you seem exhilarated by it so ...
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Sure, it may be awkward some times when you're communicating with others. We all walk around the world with an I perspective, all living out our respective lives. Of course, we're all the same, we have an infinite nature that defies labelling and restrictions, attempts at such, including labellings by you of the sitting on the floor as pathetic as well as your friends thinking you were weird for mumbling really only serve to complicate understanding. Understanding of the experience, it was what it was man, laugh at it. There wasn't anything to the situation except for the feelings that you created for yourself, your interpretations of the events and consequent thought and response patterns. Or maybe its just the weed, either way man, don't sweat it, you'll be alrigghhttt
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Drewwyann
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: MOTH]
#7793933 - 12/23/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It wasn't that I needed there to be talking, I was more or less just talking to myself, and I thought that they were partly listening.
Then they looked at me with the "what the fuck are you talking about?" look on their face.
So awkward....
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: outhere4]
#7793937 - 12/23/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea i know where you were at. in about a year you'll be at this point..."why the fuck do i communicate with people at all?" and when you run out of answers to that question you'll be at the point i'm at...
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7793947 - 12/23/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drewwyann said: It wasn't that I needed there to be talking, I was more or less just talking to myself, and I thought that they were partly listening.
Then they looked at me with the "what the fuck are you talking about?" look on their face.
So awkward....
They don't sound like too good of tripping partners. When your tripping you should be able to go absolutely crazy and babble incoherent rants without your friends criticizing you in any way.
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Drewwyann said: It wasn't that I needed there to be talking, I was more or less just talking to myself, and I thought that they were partly listening.
Then they looked at me with the "what the fuck are you talking about?" look on their face.
So awkward....
They don't sound like too good of tripping partners. When your tripping you should be able to go absolutely crazy and babble incoherent rants without your friends criticizing you in any way.
Yeah, that's an excellant point.
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Drewwyann
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exactly!
But they decided to gang up on me and make me feel like such an asshole.
gah... I love earth. What a sweet planet we have.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: MOTH]
#7793975 - 12/23/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drewwyann said: It wasn't that I needed there to be talking, I was more or less just talking to myself, and I thought that they were partly listening.
Then they looked at me with the "what the fuck are you talking about?" look on their face.
So awkward....
They don't sound like too good of tripping partners. When your tripping you should be able to go absolutely crazy and babble incoherent rants without your friends criticizing you in any way.
Yeah, that's an excellant point.
I definately think that is the last time I'm tripping with them. The one of them, I've tripped with before, many many times and hes a cool guy (might be reading this right now). And I would love to trip with him again.
But the other two that were there, were so weird towards me. I guess it wasn't just me, They were definitely not the most chill people to trip with, and I don't think I'll do it with them again any time soon.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7794076 - 12/23/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My first time on real acid was on three strong hits with a few people around besides the normal crew i chill with.
At some points the folks who were outside my circle of friends made me feel so uncomfortable. It wasn't their fault they just weren't used to being around people who were tripping. If i was doing something odd, they would chatter about it between each other like i couldn't hear what they were saying and it just made for an annoying, overly self-conscience portion of the trip.
I agree that people you trip with should be open minded and ready to roll with any wild shit you come up with, as long as it isn't causing harm to anyone.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7794124 - 12/23/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dont blame anyone for awkwardness. Communication is always a two way street. I dont have too much to say, but I really think Moth put it quite well in this post.
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Hmm...I guess communication could be considered a result of anxious self-awareness seeking support and validation from neighboring universal bodies.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7794138 - 12/23/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Were the other people in the group people you knew well, and have tripped with before? Were they experienced trippers themselves?
If they are truly your friends, and are experienced in tripping, they should know that people do weird shit...odd events occur, and they shouldn't judge you by your actions while you are tripping.
From the sounds of it, they had to be pretty aware at how uncomfortable you were, and if they had a decent mind about them, they would have made an effort to change direction, change setting, by getting up and changing the music, or just dismiss your small rant and start up a positive subject.
That, to me, would be what good friends and trippers should be doing for the group. not focusing on the negative reaction of a single tripper and sending them into a bad trip, they should make an effort to keep the vibe going in a postivie direction.
This might just come from experience, and learning how to navigate these waters. But when you have a room of people that are all dosed, and on the same level. Everyone is going to notice all the little subtle signs of the next person. If you can keep a happy good vibe going between all of you...you'll have a really fun and memorable evening.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7794176 - 12/23/07 11:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drewwyann said: It wasn't that I needed there to be talking, I was more or less just talking to myself, and I thought that they were partly listening.
Then they looked at me with the "what the fuck are you talking about?" look on their face.
So awkward....
They don't sound like too good of tripping partners. When your tripping you should be able to go absolutely crazy and babble incoherent rants without your friends criticizing you in any way.
Yeah, that's an excellant point.
I definately think that is the last time I'm tripping with them. The one of them, I've tripped with before, many many times and hes a cool guy (might be reading this right now). And I would love to trip with him again.
But the other two that were there, were so weird towards me. I guess it wasn't just me, They were definitely not the most chill people to trip with, and I don't think I'll do it with them again any time soon.
I tend to agree with you on the fact that you shouldn't trip with people that you feel uncomfortable with. But I want you to think about something first. You know very well how it is to feels to have that awkward sensation and how it felt for you when you had that sudden urge to communicate. Sort of like trying to justify your own self. What if those other friends of yours reacted this way because of a similar feelings of heaviness, of awkwardness? Perhaps they were unable to communicate (you know very well that after tripping our minds need to adjust to the standard mode and great oscillations can occur), and the reason why they were a little harsh in you mumbling was in a need to justify their own inability to talk to you? Or to help you out in an obvious difficult moment for you? Hell, we do that even when we're dead sober and lucid. Sometimes it just happens that we feel the need to blame the other just so we can redirect the guilt from ourselves. It's not a wise choice, but it definitely happens and it's justifiable under such conditions. I'm just examining the possibilities here... Maybe you should just be open to them, before you make any decision. I mean, what do you have to lose? If they open themselves to you too, then it can all become a big opportunity to create a deeper bond with them. If not, it is still a good way to self educate yourself into having no complex. I have learned that it's always good to be open, especially about the things that hurt. It's the only way to turn your thoughts from enemies to friends.
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i like to occasionaly wierd and freak out people and friends its fun cause it then makes em not afriad of things and opens minds
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I have been where you have and have felt what you have. its no good. Its like you are lacking all self confidence and that people can read your thoughts or know your insecurities and that everything you say is the wrong thing. This only happens to me when I smoke weed, so it might have been the weed that did it to you. Or, it might have been something along the lines of under the influence of lsd, you felt that sitting around on the floor smoking weed was a miserable thing to do and a waste of time even. who knows. Did everyone else feel the same thing as you? Have you talked to them about it?
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7794593 - 12/24/07 01:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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happened to me too
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Zoo]
#7794689 - 12/24/07 02:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had that happen before. after the mushroom trip that made me awkward between my friend of seven years, it's never quite been the same.
but that could be because I dwell on it a lot. if I didn't think about it so much I'm sure it could be fine
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alright. I recall everything that happened now. I guess all I just needed was a night's rest.
I was sitting there, mumbling about this tribal show that this girl was watching in the other room. It was so weird, and i thought my friends were semi listening.
Then both the girls there start to look at me, with this weird look on their face, and i took it as a disgusted look.
Then they started to ask me why i was mumbling with that look on their face. I took this as a "I never do that while I'm on acid, why the hell are you acting like that?"
So i said, 'i hate you' while laughing to try to get rid of the awkwardness, so I figured she would realize that i was being sarcastic since we've been friends for a long while. She thought I was being serious I guess, and then they both looked at me like "what the fuck is wrong with you?"
You are allowed to say you hate your friends in a sarcastic way, I do it all the time do my friends and they've never taken it like that. So it was just a big miscommunication. We know we are friends, and it's going to stay that way, and obviously if I say I hate you, its not serious. I don't know why she took it so seriously.
So thats essentially what happened.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: Drewwyann]
#7795257 - 12/24/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find words, ESPECIALLY on LSD can take on wildly different qualities; after all you are using them within an altered context.
Hate is a strong word, as is Love. They hold a lot of weight with many people. The situation could've been MUCH worse if you folks weren't good friends.
In comparison to what could've happened, such as an intensly awkward sober relationship, the way I see it the current situation shows the love betweem you.
Next time, tell her you Love Her in a joking way
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I'll go for that.
We've been friends for so long. It's just amazing how different consciousness can alter the meanings of words. I never thought she'd actually believe that I actually hated her.
That really amazes me.
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I felt this way a quite a few times... It usually stems when smoking after the peak. you think to yourself "who are these people... and why are they staring at me?" You feel as though you are being singled out, when in reality, everyone is feeling the exact same way you are.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: danlennon3]
#7795310 - 12/24/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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danlennon3 said: I felt this way a quite a few times... It usually stems when smoking after the peak. you think to yourself "who are these people... and why are they staring at me?" You feel as though you are being singled out, when in reality, everyone is feeling the exact same way you are.
this happens to me all the time.
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: derx]
#7795339 - 12/24/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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maybe theres something to that... you both said you've felt like that after smoking after the peak?
that is exactly where we were. it was 2-3 hours after the peak. Everything was so perfect until then...
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: derx]
#7795348 - 12/24/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think it has anything to do with tripping... I have experienced this awkwardness pretty much everywhere socializing takes place... It's just more profound and noticeable when you are tripping
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Re: Social Awkwardness. [Re: danlennon3]
#7795894 - 12/24/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah danlennon i know what your getting at
its hard to tell what is actually awkward and what is not a big deal on acid. (so it seems)
-------------------- I like to look at mushrooms the way most people like to look at flowers. this is an amazing game http://www.kongregate.com/games/customlogic/sprout
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