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Large Production Methods
    #7793623 - 12/23/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, so I've tried a monotub and that didn't pan out so well, I had to use my own pasturuzed horse shit because the stuff I ordered took three months to arrive, and was covored in orange mold by the time I had another set of mature cakes. So I don't really trust ordering horse shit anymore, and I don't think I have the proper apparatus to pasturize it myself.

So, what other large production methods have others had success with? Would a big ass casing work? Like a monotub, basically just a bunch of cakes under a vermic/peat moss casing layer in a tub, with perhaps a coolmist hose going in? Anything else where I don't have to use hPoo?


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: crumblebum]
    #7793652 - 12/23/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Pasteurizing is quite easy. Either use a large stock pot with a turkey thermometer and bring it upto 140-170 then put the h/poo ina pillowcase and submerge it. Or use a cooler. Bring the water upto 170 then pour it into the cooler with the h/poo weighted down in the pillow case. There's not much else to it man.

As for your mono tub try it with out the holes and just fan it by hand every 2 hours or so when you can. Works great.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: novicemycology]
    #7793670 - 12/23/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Best stick to perlite for humidity with cakes, its in enpensive and works a treat.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7793725 - 12/23/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Dang, how did I not think of the cooler thing? I've used that method before to incubate jars, worked out well. I suppose I'll just pasturize more horse poo.

The problem with perlite in the afformentioned setup is that everything is in a layer at the bottom, not on a rack above it. I was basically thinking of just doing a big casing inside a tub.


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    #7794079 - 12/23/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: MonstroniuM]
    #7794154 - 12/23/07 10:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MonstroniuM said:
No I don't know how much an oz of magic mushrooms cost.




where the hell did that come from???

also, to crumblebum, you dont have to use poo in a mono if you have an external humidification method. like a coolmist or an ultrasonic running in by a tube or something. try a complex substrate, they work wonders and can be made of lots of easy to get ingredients.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: MonstroniuM]
    #7794165 - 12/23/07 10:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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No I don't know how much an oz of magic mushrooms cost.




Um, what? Who asked?


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: crumblebum]
    #7794173 - 12/23/07 10:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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crumblebum said:
Anything else where I don't have to use hPoo?




You could try using coco coir or straw as an alternative to poo for a bulk substrate.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: crumblebum]
    #7794178 - 12/23/07 11:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Complex Substrate?

Would a layer of crumbled cakes cased with 50/50 vermic/peat do well? I'll do a search for complex substrates.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: crumblebum]
    #7794199 - 12/23/07 11:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've used strait oak leaves with good results. U can use leaves, cardboard, grass, compost, and bran as supplement. Use you imagination. Mow your lawn if you don't have money. lol! I have had good results with grass and bran with cardboard as a moisture retainer.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: lipa]
    #7794223 - 12/23/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Does anyone know, per se, what nutrients cubensis wants? It'd be easier to use my imagination if I knew what I should be imagining =P

I've heard it'll grow off damn near anything organic, and if I understand correctly, it likes tryptophan and B6, but what else?


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: crumblebum]
    #7794243 - 12/23/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They are phosphorous and nitrogen scavengers! That should give you a start. Remember also they are primary as well as secondary decomposers. So they love fresh and digested foods.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: MonstroniuM]
    #7794254 - 12/23/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MonstroniuM said:
No I don't know how much an oz of magic mushrooms cost.





... I TOTALLY agree... NO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH AN OZ OF MAGIC MUSHROOMS COST... end quote


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: crumblebum]
    #7794309 - 12/23/07 11:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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crumblebum said:
Would a layer of crumbled cakes cased with 50/50 vermic/peat do well?



it would do fine...but it would go allot further if you spawn to bulk... do a search on substrates and substrate additives. add anything/a little bit of everything that you can get your hands on that people have used successfully.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: stinkbuttdog]
    #7794323 - 12/23/07 11:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

MonstroniuM said:
No I don't know how much an oz of magic mushrooms cost.





... I TOTALLY agree... NO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH AN OZ OF MAGIC MUSHROOMS COST... end quote


:doggull:  <--- I love this stuff!





Okay, seriously, what the fuck. If you guys are trying to subtlely and cleverly imply that someone wants to grow a bulk ammount so they can sell them, and oohhh look at you you're far too ethical to do such a thing, than fuck off and don't waste space in my thread. There's a Philosophy board if you want to discuss Ethics, there's the OT and Pub if you're bored and want to try and be clever in front of an audience, and there's your mothers bathroom if you want to jerk off about how much better your ethics are tha everyone else's.

THIS is the Mushroom Cultivation board. It's here to discuss The Cultivation of Mushrooms. This thread, contained in the afformentioned  board, is about how to cultivate bulk quantities of them.

So now that that's wrapped up.

Nitrous and Phospherous you say? Sounds good, thanks for everyone's help, this should be enough info to give me a direction for further research.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: crumblebum]
    #7794374 - 12/24/07 12:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

haha, nice.

anyhow...he said nitrogen, not nitrous, but i figure that is just a typo. but some examples of these ingredients include....(with varying degrees of effectiveness)

-coir
-coffee
-wheat straw
-cow manure
-horse manure
-rabbit manure
-gypsum
-kelp meal
-various organic bottled nutrients
-grains (usually just used as a spawn but sometimes cased, dont mix into a substrate unless it is alredy colonized though.
-any almost any composted material

i cant think of anymore right now...but when i do i will post more.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7794493 - 12/24/07 12:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm. I wonder, will myc grow on dried meat? Seems like salmon is a big source of phos., more so than any of the grains listed, and I wonder if ground smoked salmon mixed with other stuff would work.

What is the difference between what you first grow myc on and what you spawn it too? Why is it, exactly, that one has to start with cakes, and can't just shoot spores into poo? I have a vague impression that it's something to do with the physical structure of things, but I'm not very clear on all that.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: crumblebum]
    #7794513 - 12/24/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Cubes won't grow on meat and it is generally ill advised to try...so go for it. :smile:


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: crumblebum]
    #7794531 - 12/24/07 01:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Hmmm. I wonder, will myc grow on dried meat? Seems like salmon is a big source of phos., more so than any of the grains listed, and I wonder if ground smoked salmon mixed with other stuff would work.

What is the difference between what you first grow myc on and what you spawn it too? Why is it, exactly, that one has to start with cakes, and can't just shoot spores into poo? I have a vague impression that it's something to do with the physical structure of things, but I'm not very clear on all that.




you can shoot spores into poo, thats a poo cake.

and there are a ton of reasons that meat will definitely not work as a substrate, use the search because i don't have the time to explain them all, nor do i actually know them all, but one reason is that meats contain oils and fats both of which myc despises.


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Re: Large Production Methods [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7794555 - 12/24/07 01:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ahhhh, the oils/fats thing is enough explaination to nix that line of thought.


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