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Deaf people demand right to have deaf children.
    #7793286 - 12/23/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Deaf demand right to designer deaf children
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DEAF parents should be allowed to screen their embryos so they can pick a deaf child over one that has all its senses intact, according to the chief executive of the Royal National Institute for Deaf and Hard of Hearing People (RNID).

Jackie Ballard, a former Liberal Democrat MP, says that although the vast majority of deaf parents would want a child who has normal hearing, a small minority of couples would prefer to create a child who is effectively disabled, to fit in better with the family lifestyle.

Ballard’s stance is likely to be welcomed by other deaf organisations, including the British Deaf Association (BDA), which is campaigning to amend government legislation to allow the creation of babies with disabilities.

A clause in the Human Tissue and Embryos Bill, which is passing through the House of Lords, would make it illegal for parents undergoing embryo screening to choose an embryo with an abnormality if healthy embryos exist.

In America a deaf couple deliberately created a baby with hearing difficulties by choosing a sperm donor with generations of deafness in his family.

This would be impossible under the bill in its present form in the UK. Disability charities say this makes the proposed legislation discriminatory, because it gives parents the right to create “designer babies” free from genetic conditions while banning couples from deliberately creating a baby with a disability.

The prospect of selecting “deaf embryos” is likely to be seized on by campaigners against genetic screening who will argue that this is an inevitable outcome of allowing “designer babies”.

Doctors are opposed to creating deaf babies. Professor Gedis Grudzinskas, medical director of the Bridge Centre, a clinic in London that screens embyros, said: “This would be an abuse of medical technology. Deafness is not the normal state, it is a disability. To deliberately create a deaf embryo would be contrary to the ethos of our society.”

Ballard, who previously ran into controversy as director-general of the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) where she pushed through extensive job cuts, said in an interview with The Sunday Times: “Most parents would choose to have a hearing embryo, but for those few parents who do not, we think they should be allowed to exercise that choice and we would support them in that decision.

“There are a number of deaf forums where there are discussions about this. There are a small minority of activists who say that there is a cultural identity in being born deaf and that we should not destroy that cultural identity by preventing children from being born deaf.”

Ballard added: “We would like to retain, as far as possible, parental choice, but it has to be in conjunction with a clinician so that people know exactly what they are choosing.”

Next month a coalition of disability organisations will launch a campaign to amend the bill to make it possible for parents to choose the embryos that carry a genetic abnormality.

Francis Murphy, chairman of the BDA, said: “If choice of embryos for implantation is to be given to citizens in general, and if hearing and other people are allowed to choose embryos that will be ‘like them’, sharing the same characteristics, language and culture, then we believe that deaf people should have the same right.”

Murphy added that the BDA believes it is very unlikely that it would become common for deaf parents to deliberately create deaf children.

To create a “designer baby” using preimplantation genetic diagnosis, couples need to go through in vitro fertilisation (IVF) even if they could conceive naturally. The embryos created are then genetically screened and normally only the healthy ones are implanted in the mother’s womb.

This weekend the RNID played down Ballard’s comments by pointing out that the charity does not advocate deliberately creating deaf babies.

A spokesman said: “While the RNID believes in the individual’s right to choose, we would not actively encourage the selection of deaf embryos over hearing ones for implantation when both are available.”




Are you fucking KIDDING ME?!  If my parents chose for me to be born without a certain sense, I'd hate them forever.  I would disown myself.  How fucked up in the head could someone be to not want their children to have the most out of life.  Jesus christ.  :nonono:


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: Newbie]
    #7793305 - 12/23/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Fucked up. : /


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: Newbie]
    #7793310 - 12/23/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh but just think of their "cultural identity". It's so important to keep re-experiencing the same patterns and limitations over and over again.

Yeah, I agree with you, if I found out my parents did that to me I would probably visit wrath upon them. Maybe I would poke out their eyes in their sleep and say "Welcome to the culture of the blind!". But they wouldn't be able to hear me. Stupid deaf parents.


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: Viveka]
    #7793322 - 12/23/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

one of my good friends has both deaf parents and he does sometimes exploit their deafness you know.. stayin out late.. school and stuff (well that was back in high school.. but you get the point)


i think to intentionally handicap your child would be a horrible thing and people like that shouldn't be parents.

that's my 2 cents


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: Newbie]
    #7793347 - 12/23/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

just another example of bad parenting...

"when i was younger i was raped by my parents, so ill rape my children as well"

...not to mention how the human race is degenerate.


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7793369 - 12/23/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I could understand physical differences, like dwarfism, but not taking away one of your 5 senses.


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    #7793405 - 12/23/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder what life is like to deaf, and or blind people...in there own heads.


if you have no previous sound, what does your self talk sound like



what did ray Charles see when he fried?


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Re: woah [Re: Buzzwell420]
    #7793494 - 12/23/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How selfish. Foolish parents always thinking their children want to be just like them.


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: Newbie]
    #7793665 - 12/23/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is one of the reasons I hate deaf culture and cannot ever associate myself with it. The argument that being deaf is basically a culture (just like being a Native American) is bullshit. No matter how you cut it, being deaf IS a disability. It doesn't give people the right to treat you as an inferior; it just means that you ears don't work. It's called being honest with yourself.
These are the same people that would deny their children the cure for deafness if it were created tomorrow. Possibly one of the most selfish things you could ever imagine.
Wanting your children to be born free of defects has nothing to do with some weird Hitler youth perfection. It's just parents trying to make sure that their kids don't have any extra hardships to have to deal with in their life. Because believe me, growing up deaf and being deaf sucks arse. If those people in their deaf cultures took some time to step out of their cocoon shell of a community, they'd see just how difficult it is for deaf people to survive in the world.


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: Newbie]
    #7793768 - 12/23/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I know a girl who is a counselor for deaf children and adolescents. She says that deaf people are very stubborn in their views on deafness. They feel that being deaf is their distinguishing feature and a major part of their identity.

She tells me that the deaf people who choose to remain deaf (rather than have a cochlear implant installed) absolutely hate the deaf people who get the implants and are now able to hear. They treat them as if they are somehow traitors. Also, many of them completely ignore people that they know are able to hear. They actually avoid interacting with hearing people. Watch out in the future for a deaf supremacist movement. Some of em can be real jerks.


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: BoneMan]
    #7796827 - 12/24/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

a while ago at the employment office a deaf lady sat next to me and started talking to me and telling me stories about her life and her deafness. i could tell that she somehow took pride in it. but i can kindof see why. they can still function pretty well but they do have a disadvantage. im sure they probley feel a little inferior due to the challenges they face and pass.


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7797076 - 12/24/07 11:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This sounds fine to me as long as they go live in caves with their other heightened senses.

They could evolve into a subspecies of homo sapiens thus help increase intelligent life's chance of survival in the case of worldwide catastrophe.


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: elmanimal]
    #7797212 - 12/25/07 01:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

everyone here does drugs



i want my kids to do drugs too:mushroom2:


may not being able to hear whats bad in the world could be a good thing.


the more the you the more problems arise, so  some people like it some people would rather numb it, and not uses the senses they are given.

its fucking weird and I love being able to see, i can just understand why they would want blind kids


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: Buzzwell420]
    #7797239 - 12/25/07 01:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If society didn't exist and it was raw nature, someone with a hearing disability might not hear a tiger sneaking up on them and BAM! they'd get eaten, thus eliminating them from the gene pool. Favoring inferior genes, and you can't deny its an inferiority (why would you not choose to hear over not being able to?), is a bad move from an evolutionary view. If deaf people have deaf babies and they have deaf babies then next thing we know the human races hearing capabilities is severely hindered! Its extreme I know, but its simply unnatural.

Furthermore, what right do the parents have to make this kind of decision? If the kid wants his hearing removed when he's at the age of consent, he can hire a man on the street with a screwdriver to manually remove it for him. Bloody parents think that having a kid is a right, when it fact it should be a privilege. What happens if the child they planned ends up having perfect hearing, well I guess he's a disappointment in his parents eyes. Would it be acceptable for blind parents to want a blind kid? Homosexual parents to want homosexual kids? Sounds like a clear violation of the rights of the child.

So it seems its both unnatural and unethical. I can't think of a good reason it should be allowed.


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7797370 - 12/25/07 03:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that's fucked up...if my parents decided i'd never hear music so i could be miserable like them i'd never, ever forgive them


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    #7797375 - 12/25/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

sounds scary and freaky. they shouldn't even be allowed to HAVE children if they think that way.


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Re: Deaf people demand right to have deaf children. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7797690 - 12/25/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

does no one acknowledge what they have any more?


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