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Asante
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What if...
#7791801 - 12/23/07 09:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What if death was nothing more than the transition from your former life to your next life? What if you leave your world, your body and mind behind, only to reincarnate in another world, another body, and a mind is given to you anew?
What if this reincarnation is endless? What if you have already lived an infinite number of lives, and will live an infinite number of lives more?
So that, in essence, you are eternal. So that, each death ends with a fresh start in a new life, no matter what happens to you.
Just imagine..
Suppose that the situation I just described was the actual truth.. What's your opinion?
discuss!
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Re: What if... [Re: Asante]
#7791803 - 12/23/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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and..
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Re: What if... [Re: Asante]
#7791810 - 12/23/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you don't remember your previous lives, it's really no different than dying and rotting in the ground. Unless the reincarnation is working towards something, it's just kind of a recycling of one's "soul" without retaining their previous consciousness.
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Re: What if... [Re: Redstorm]
#7791819 - 12/23/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you don't remember your previous lives, it's really no different than dying and rotting in the ground.
There's a huge difference! In the rotting in the ground scenario, it is over. You will no longer live, love, experience, suffer, triumph, struggle, hug a kitty. With eternal reincarnation however there is no end to the number of new adventures.. you just don't remember you had one before.
If there is eternal reincarnation I hope it's mostly with the amnesia of death (or rather a fresh install on a new machine ) because if you remember, you won't just retain the highs of the former lives, but the lows as well. The pristineness of being a baby, a toddler, a child simply won't be the same. You'll have a lot of luggage from former lives, good and bad.
I love this life, but I rather start anew than being born old
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Re: What if... [Re: Redstorm]
#7791821 - 12/23/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you don't remember your previous lives, it's really no different than dying and rotting in the ground.
Why? Do you remember everything from this life? 
Wouldn't you assume that your memory of lifes past would be very poor?
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Re: What if... [Re: Redstorm]
#7791823 - 12/23/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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maybe we are the first conscious souls and thats why it is so difficult to see past lives
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maybe there's no soul to carry into another life and man just needs the hope to make it through this one
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Re: What if... [Re: trendal]
#7791847 - 12/23/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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In addition to that, it's less scientifically plausible.
From a science POV it is relatively easy to assume that time is eternal, the number of possibilities is finite, and big bang explosions are a statistical occurrence. In that case, anything that can exist will exist, and everything that exists will be re-created over and over in every possible way.
Science also assumes that your mind resides in your brain and that memories etc reside in your brain.
Given these assumptions, it seems logical that most of the times you get an new computer, you won't find your old vacation snapshots on the pristine harddrive. Statistically it could happen, but probably it would be a very rare occurrence.
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Re: What if... [Re: Asante]
#7791881 - 12/23/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's your opinion?
I accept it.
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Re: What if... [Re: MOTH]
#7791985 - 12/23/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats what I tried explaining to the guys in P&S, but they went mad and wouldn't accept that as a rational for humans
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Re: What if... [Re: Asante]
#7792034 - 12/23/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Death is only the beginning...
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Re: What if... [Re: Asante]
#7792064 - 12/23/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I almost completely accept your theory. Except it seems to me that a soul would need a rest after all the highs and lows of living a lifetime. A break, if you will. Life is hard work!
So maybe a hundred or a thousand years on the 'other side'...which is really only the blink of an eye to a soul.
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Re: What if... [Re: Asante]
#7792107 - 12/23/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you don't remember your previous lives, it's really no different than dying and rotting in the ground.
There's a huge difference! In the rotting in the ground scenario, it is over. You will no longer live, love, experience, suffer, triumph, struggle, hug a kitty. With eternal reincarnation however there is no end to the number of new adventures.. you just don't remember you had one before.
But if you have no memory of the past, then it is irrelevant to you. There would be absoultely no difference between having had 300 past lives and having had zero.
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Baeosistine said:
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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If you don't remember your previous lives, it's really no different than dying and rotting in the ground.
There's a huge difference! In the rotting in the ground scenario, it is over. You will no longer live, love, experience, suffer, triumph, struggle, hug a kitty. With eternal reincarnation however there is no end to the number of new adventures.. you just don't remember you had one before.
But if you have no memory of the past, then it is irrelevant to you. There would be absoultely no difference between having had 300 past lives and having had zero.
Exactly. That's what I was trying to put into words.
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Re: What if... [Re: Redstorm]
#7792124 - 12/23/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think that's because it's all happening at once.
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Re: What if... [Re: MOTH]
#7792132 - 12/23/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyway, assuming you did have some memory, i would get pretty fucking weary of it after a while and yearn for some transendence etc.. so I voted 'God that would suck!'
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Re: What if... [Re: MOTH]
#7792138 - 12/23/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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MOTH said: I think that's because it's all happening at once.
Yeah, I often think if I don't get to do something in this life, someone else has probably done it and that's good enough.
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What if you can remember it all, every lifetime, while you are not currently inside a human body? Like in between lives, you remember all your experiences and emotions....but while you living your human life, you can only remember what is currently relevant?
Sometimes people have 'flashbacks' from previous lives are relevant to current circumstances in thier lives. They are commonly passed of as just dreams, or thoughts...or whatever.
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But if you have no memory of the past, then it is irrelevant to you. There would be absoultely no difference between having had 300 past lives and having had zero.
If there is zero recall of past lives (despite that many people feel they do have past life memories in the real world) then the merit of each life resides within that life itself.
If you in this life can't remember having had a past life, what would be better, living it or not having lived at all? It's all about this one life you have, and that time and time again.
You're arguing that it is irrelevant whether you have one life or a neverending supply of them. I consider it to be a very relevant difference. It's a huge difference between living a hundred years surrounded by an infinity of death, or living eternally with occasional lapses of amnesia.
I'd rather receive the gift of life over and over in a neverending cycle, than being given it as a onetime deal.
The Universe is filled with things which will inevitably be formed if its requirements are met. Perhaps this goes for all things.
If a proton meets an electron and they're not too excited, hydrogen forms. If you got a big bunch of hydrogen you'll get stars. Stars burn hydrogen into atoms. Atoms form molecules. Molecules form planets. Planets form life. Life forms you. Its a chain of events that might very well be inevitable to occur over and over, if time is eternal.
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Re: What if... [Re: Asante]
#7792264 - 12/23/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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At first I thought, how can there be reincarnation if the population just keeps getting bigger? Soon there'd be too many souls that could feasibly exist on earth! But then I thought, the universe is supposedly constantly expanding, and with it, maybe new energy.. which maybe souls are made of.
It'd be nice to believe in this kind of fairy tale stuff.
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