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working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed
    #7791569 - 12/23/07 04:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

found this unique list via a link from a friend:

http://wenatchee.craigslist.org/rnr/511263382.html

Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many 'friends' of the Clinton's

1-James McDougal - Clinton's convicted White water partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement.
He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3- Vince Foster - Former White House counselor and colleague of Hillary
Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commit ted suicide.

5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising
organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992

6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a 'dear friend and trusted advisor'.

7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock . Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a 'Black Book' of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas .

10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent
hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head.
It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiance of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruli ng of his fiance, he was found dead in June,
1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiance.

13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14- Florence Martin - Accountant & subcontractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mean Airportdrug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16-Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mean Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 'October Surprise' was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington , DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from hisArlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22- Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane&nbs p;crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.

23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.

24- Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25- Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as 'The boys on the track' case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.


THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29- Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to 'natural causes'.

34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds
38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
40-Major General William Robertson
41-Col. William Densberger
42-Col. Robert Kelly&nb sp;
43-Spec. Gar y Rhodes
44-Steve Willis
45-Robert Williams
46-Conway LeBleu
47-Todd McKeehan


HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT?

SURELY YOU JEST !!


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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: kotik]
    #7791573 - 12/23/07 05:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: Silversoul]
    #7791592 - 12/23/07 05:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: Silversoul]
    #7791608 - 12/23/07 05:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Silversoul said:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp




thanks for the link, although I don't like how Snopes states things so matter-of-factly.  Almost as if they are saying these people didn't die, or that they weren't associated.  No, snopes just mentions that:

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Any public figure is bound to have a much wider circle of acquaintance than an ordinary citizen would ... many of the people enumerated on this list might properly claim to have known Clinton, he wouldn't know or remember having met a great number of them.





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"Body count" lists are not a new phenomenon.  Lists documenting all the allegedly "suspicious" deaths of persons connected with the assassination of <NOBR>John F.</NOBR> Kennedy have been circulating for decades, and the same techniques used to create and spread the JFK lists have been employed in the Clinton version




first of all, JFK WAS/IS a conspiracy.  Even if it wasn't done by the govt/cia/cubans, it was still a conspiracy, and related deaths should not just be dismissed because an official report came out.  Jesus.

They also go on to pick apart these details:

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List every dead person with even the most tenuous of connections to your subject.  It doesn't matter how these people died




well, in this list it DOES mention how they died, and for many, it DOES matter (e.g. a stabbing / shooting / decapitation ruled as accident / suicides)

Quote:

Play word games. Every self-inflicted death discussed must include the phrase "ruled a suicide" to imply just the opposite.




now who's playing word games?  So instead of saying "ruled a suicide," they should leave that part out, because it insinuates the opposite?  What kind of twisted, backwards logic is that?  Thumbs up to snopes! :thumbup::thumbup: :rolleyes:

even the explanations of each case use just as much flawed logic and "word games" as the original list.  Snopes is cool for some stuff, but they should stay away from conspiracy theories.


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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: kotik]
    #7791630 - 12/23/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ouch.

That is strange.

Anyone that knows that many people that died has got to have something to do with it...

Look at all those 'suicides'. The murders seem out of place.


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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: kotik]
    #7791647 - 12/23/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> thanks for the link, although I don't like how Snopes states things so matter-of-factly.

I kinda thought the same thing... and I am typically a huge fan of Snopes. It really felt like a Hillary supporter wrote the Snopes bit, regardless of the claims being true or false. (Of course, I think the Clinton's Evil in the literal sense of the word, so I am obviously biased.)


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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: kotik]
    #7791795 - 12/23/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That's because fuck ups are attracted to other radicals. They get themselves killed because they're stupid.


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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: Luddite]
    #7791806 - 12/23/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I love how snopes compares the list to JFK, which the last word on it was that it was a conspiracy w/ two shooters minimum, contrary to the warren report, although no government involvement can be proven or directly shown likely.


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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: johnm214]
    #7792275 - 12/23/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, there was an ABC special on JFK that made a pretty convincing case for the Lone Gunman theory. Penn & Teller made a similar case.


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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: Silversoul]
    #7792462 - 12/23/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

oh ok, I'll have to check them out. I was refering to the house select committee's conclusions.

I got interested in the subject a few years ago, I'll try and find the abc special and penn n teller's stuff.


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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: johnm214]
    #7792596 - 12/23/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

penn and teller are another group that should stay away from conspiracy theories. Their episode on Big Brother was abysmal, and was a milestone for the decline of their show.


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Re: working for, or talking about the clinton family can get you killed [Re: kotik]
    #7792599 - 12/23/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ehh...

I don't even own a tv anymore. I'd like to think I can spot bullshit anyways, so why not here what they have to say.

Besides the fat one is a libertarian :-)


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