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OfflinePurple Mushroom
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Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE!
    #7790606 - 12/22/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

After hearing off ron paul recently from this website, for
the first time in my life i have become dwellved into politics.

This man is the gandhi of america, its just isn't the legal cannabis or the end of the drug war, but for the sake of america it has so much potential but not with corruption.

I beg of you vote for this man, ive never voted in my life, but this guy has changed that.

I apologize if theres a thread similar to this.

I'm just trying to emphasize the importance of spreading
the word!

Unfuck America

VOTE FOR RON PAUL!


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Purple Mushroom]
    #7791373 - 12/23/07 01:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Purple Mushroom said:
its just isn't the legal cannabis or the end of the drug war,




Isn't it? Why else would you vote for him then?


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Purple Mushroom]
    #7791509 - 12/23/07 03:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Uhm, no, sorry.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Le_Canard]
    #7791541 - 12/23/07 03:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> Uhm, no, sorry.

Don't make me get out the waterboard... :wink:


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Purple Mushroom]
    #7791677 - 12/23/07 07:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i have one question for you right meow to see if i think ron paul will win or even come close. is he descended from the kings of old?


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Purple Mushroom]
    #7791791 - 12/23/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm watching him on Meet the Press right now.

Ron Paul on Meet the Press

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

He thinks Israel wants us to bomb Iran

He thinks Al Qaeda is right in wanting the USA to leave Saudi Arabia. Note that Osama bin Laden lost his Saudi Arabian citizenship, so what he thinks doesn't matter.

He wants us to abolish the FBI, CIA, public schools, income tax and welfare......

He sounds pretty radical.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Purple Mushroom]
    #7791800 - 12/23/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

2 out of 3 of your stated reasons aren't even to be attempted under Paul presidency.

But he's said he wouldn't enforce federal marijuana laws at least, and I presume that would extend to other drugs.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: johnm214]
    #7792690 - 12/23/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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But he's said he wouldn't enforce federal marijuana laws at least, and I presume that would extend to other drugs.




Why would you presume that?




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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Phred]
    #7792709 - 12/23/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

cuz there is no logical distinction between marijuana and other drugs from his stated position, the congress has no authority to penalize local possesion and trafficing (ignoring case law here)


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Phred]
    #7794483 - 12/24/07 12:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Phred said:
Why would you presume that?




Ron Paul has stated as much and lives his life and role as a politician in respect of the ideals that allow an individual to make their own choices.

As the only Congressmen to ever introduce a bill to allow for the commercial sale of unpastuerized milk, in interest of the principle that the government is not needed to keep us safe, coupled with the fact that he has stated he would stand for the decriminalization of all drugs, as it is a social problem, not a criminal one, one that needs treatment, citing all of the woes of prohibition, it is logically safe to presume as much. :smirk:


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7794859 - 12/24/07 07:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ron Paul has stated he favors the decriminalization of all drugs? Meth, coke, smack included?

Yet another reason why he has exactly zero chance of becoming the Republican nominee.




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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Phred]
    #7794874 - 12/24/07 07:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> Ron Paul has stated he favors the decriminalization of all drugs?

That is a mis-characterization of his position. As far as I know, he has never stated that all drugs should be decriminalized. My understanding of his position is that regulation, or decriminalization of drug usage should be left entirely up to the individual states based upon the 10th amendment to the US Constitution.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Seuss]
    #7795016 - 12/24/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

people also need to distinguish between what his personal view is and what he advocates for government

He's said many times recreational drugs should be legal, but I've not heard him say he'd try and usurp state authority via any means avaialable to ensure they legalize.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: johnm214]
    #7796541 - 12/24/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

schools are bad. massachusetts went from having a 99% literacy rate to a 91% literacy rate before public schools were forced upon then by the military. they are essentially institutionalized racist, sexist, prisons for children. the education is hallow, uncritical as well as prejudice.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7796699 - 12/24/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ron Paul's position is that the Feds don't have the authority to crimialize pot. If states wanna make laws against it, they will.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7797297 - 12/25/07 02:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

SAVE AMERICA, PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL!
Ron Paul wants to roll back civil rights while he talks about freedoms.
Ron Paul wants give the USA back to the rich elite of society by means of a laissez-faire government which will be the result of his 'libertarian'-branded economic model.
Ron Paul is banking on your ignorance to his ACTUAL stated stance on many issues in order for you to give him your vote.

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SlashOZ said:
schools are bad.



I have NO IDEA how you could ever logically claim that. Without government sponsored schools we would still be living under an Oligarchy in the guise of a Republic, the rich would be able to afford an education for their children while the poor would simply be unable to afford the VERY EXPENSIVE cost for a private education. The ideal of a totally privatized educational system working in harmony and allowing ABSOLUTELY every child to attend and get the same education as one another, as how our current system works, is totally naive. The rich can afford it while the poor can not. It is as simple as that. If you want to enslave the poor, be my guest, vote for Ron Paul.
You might as well also give up your overtime pay, because that sure as hell would not exist under a Ron Paul Presidency. While your at it you should also give up the idea of vacation time as well, because you know, that was governmental interference in the market. What about the idea of a workers right to a safe work environment, yep, thats just dumb governmental meddling in the market.

Seriously now, Ron Paul is against the Civil Rights Act! How can anyone who holds any ideals of liberalism and social progress support a candidate who is expressly against such things?


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: SFsorrow]
    #7797367 - 12/25/07 03:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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SFsorrow said:
SAVE AMERICA, PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL!
Ron Paul wants to roll back civil rights while he talks about freedoms.
Ron Paul wants give the USA back to the rich elite of society by means of a laissez-faire government which will be the result of his 'libertarian'-branded economic model.
Ron Paul is banking on your ignorance to his ACTUAL stated stance on many issues in order for you to give him your vote.

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SlashOZ said:
schools are bad.



I have NO IDEA how you could ever logically claim that. Without government sponsored schools we would still be living under an Oligarchy in the guise of a Republic, the rich would be able to afford an education for their children while the poor would simply be unable to afford the VERY EXPENSIVE cost for a private education. The ideal of a totally privatized educational system working in harmony and allowing ABSOLUTELY every child to attend and get the same education as one another, as how our current system works, is totally naive. The rich can afford it while the poor can not. It is as simple as that. If you want to enslave the poor, be my guest, vote for Ron Paul.
You might as well also give up your overtime pay, because that sure as hell would not exist under a Ron Paul Presidency. While your at it you should also give up the idea of vacation time as well, because you know, that was governmental interference in the market. What about the idea of a workers right to a safe work environment, yep, thats just dumb governmental meddling in the market.

Seriously now, Ron Paul is against the Civil Rights Act! How can anyone who holds any ideals of liberalism and social progress support a candidate who is expressly against such things?





Hear! Hear! The man is nothing but an ultra-right wing loony.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Le_Canard]
    #7797395 - 12/25/07 03:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: SFsorrow]
    #7797488 - 12/25/07 05:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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SFsorrow said:
Ron Paul wants to roll back civil rights while he talks about freedoms.




No he doesn't. :rolleyes:

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Ron Paul wants give the USA back to the rich elite of society by means of a laissez-faire government which will be the result of his 'libertarian'-branded economic model.




No he doesn't. :rolleyes:

What do you fucking mean, "give the USA back to the rich elite of society"? :rofl2:

Ron Paul stands agansit corporatism, which is essentially the control of government by large special interest groups - i.e. large corporations. Can't put the rich elite in any more control than that. :lol: Why don't you provide some substance to your ignorance?

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Ron Paul is banking on your ignorance to his ACTUAL stated stance on many issues in order for you to give him your vote.




Any substantiation as to his "ACTUAL" stated stance? :cuckoo:

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SlashOZ said: If you want to enslave the poor, be my guest, vote for Ron Paul.




Enslave them... by... not subsidizing them with federal money? Make it so they actually have to work for a living? :shocked: No, you're right.... slavery to the government is much more noble than people performing work to provide for their own means. :lol:

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You might as well also give up your overtime pay, because that sure as hell would not exist under a Ron Paul Presidency.




What overtime pay? What the fuck are you talking about? :wtf: If Ron Paul were president, he would be working to a more stable, prosporous economy, which would mean more demand for work, which means that employers would be much more willing to offer overtime, something that isn't very common nowadays.

I mean, I know you're just coming up with unsubstantiated accusations because you're ignorant, but come on. :lol:

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While your at it you should also give up the idea of vacation time as well, because you know, that was governmental interference in the market. What about the idea of a workers right to a safe work environment, yep, thats just dumb governmental meddling in the market.




Ahh, so Ron Paul has advocated no vacation time and an unsafe work environment? :shocked: Any links, substantiation, or are you simply being a raving moron? :lol:

There is a difference between a restrained government and no government. Ron Paul is not an advocate of no government. I guess if you have nothing credible to thow agansit Ron Paul, you'd just start making stupid shit up, which is quite apparently the case. :smirk:

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Seriously now, Ron Paul is against the Civil Rights Act! How can anyone who holds any ideals of liberalism and social progress support a candidate who is expressly against such things?




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Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.

This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676.




You know what? He's right. All humans have equal rights, as individuals, not as minorities. The Civil Rights Act is unconstitutional.

Go ahead and be a slave. The American people, by and large, want to be free individuals, capable of leading their own lives as they see fit. Come back when you have some substance to present. :bye:


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7798031 - 12/25/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

lol at your responses to my schools are bad. look, honestly i only advocate making school attendence a choice instead of under the current model of compulsory attendence enforced by child seizure and placement in a foster home, fines, jail time, and/or parenting classes. i don't think our government has the right to force education on people.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Purple Mushroom]
    #7800662 - 12/26/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ron Paul Meet the Press

Atlanta, GA 12/23/2007 07:58 PM GMT (FINDITT)

Ron Paul appeared on Meet the Press today with Tim Russert and looked terrible. He was not prepared for any of Russert’s questions.

After admitting that he supports decriminalizing drugs at a national level, that he would vote against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 if it were brought up again, pointed out that he though Ronald Reagan was “a dramatic failure” and that Abraham Lincoln should have bought the slaves and freed them instead of going to war over them, Ron Paul disappointed the nation today. It was a huge contrast between today’s Meet the Press appearance and his appearance on CNN with Glenn Beck last week. He let the questions trip him up and he didn’t even touch his idea of smaller government. He made it clear that he wanted to get rid of the IRS, FBI and CIA but did not submit any alternative solutions.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=31287&cat=5


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Purple Mushroom]
    #7801524 - 12/26/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He's got my vote! Only hope left for this country.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Luddite]
    #7804253 - 12/27/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Luddite said:
Ron Paul Meet the Press

Atlanta, GA 12/23/2007 07:58 PM GMT (FINDITT)

Ron Paul appeared on Meet the Press today with Tim Russert and looked terrible. He was not prepared for any of Russert’s questions.

After admitting that he supports decriminalizing drugs at a national level, that he would vote against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 if it were brought up again, pointed out that he though Ronald Reagan was “a dramatic failure” and that Abraham Lincoln should have bought the slaves and freed them instead of going to war over them, Ron Paul disappointed the nation today. It was a huge contrast between today’s Meet the Press appearance and his appearance on CNN with Glenn Beck last week. He let the questions trip him up and he didn’t even touch his idea of smaller government. He made it clear that he wanted to get rid of the IRS, FBI and CIA but did not submit any alternative solutions.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=31287&cat=5




did you actually watch the video? ron paul made a fool out of russert and did very well. what neocon wrote that piece of trash?


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7822180 - 01/02/08 12:08 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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fireworks_god said:
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Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.




Are you serious?
That is the most blatantly racist and revisionist speech I have yet heard of his. He is just talking out his ass on this one.
"forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions" Oh, like they were cheeky to start with! Seriously now, making black people enter the same door as white people, making blacks and whites ride side by side on buses, making backs attend the same school as whites REALLY was ultimately negative in the end? Like segregation was something to be proud of? As if the Jim Crow laws were benign and just?
Why have the past ~40 years seen an unprecedented improvement in racial equality since the beginning of American Slavery? I don't think hip-hop is causing it.
The only reduction in individual liberties it caused was the black man who now can sit at the front of the bus, who can attend the same public schools, who can use the same bathrooms, who can use the same drinking fountains, who can buy the same house as whites, who can work in the same place as whites. He obviously has less individual liberties as a result of the Civil Liberties Act of 1964.

Ron Paul sure has a lot to back up this:
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Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.




Where are the statistics to prove this? I'd like to see them Dr. Paul.

And Fireworks_god, you sure have a lot of proof to back up your own rebuttal.
We are just blowing hot air at this point and quite obviously nothing is going to change on an Internet forum dedicated to illegal drugs. I'm just saying that the impacts of Ron Paul's stances would seriously undermine the Nation regardless of what he says.
Look at the history of the USA, when we did not have compulsory public education, it was common place for young children to be working in factories, and to be utterly shitted on, abused, neglected, degraded by the the employer. Remember the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire? How about the rampant child labor at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century?
Your telling me that I should support 8 year old children going to work in factories, because the market conditions support such a practice? I bet they also volunteered to be molested, injured, abused, degraded while they were on the job.
The free market does not make everyone equal. The free market is not the end all, be all, savor to all of life's problems.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: SFsorrow]
    #7823441 - 01/02/08 11:47 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

The basic premise of his argument is that the federal government did not have the authority to force different races to all gather in the same spaces, beyond that of the school systems or any other government institutions, of course, and that the act of doing so has imposed upon our individual liberty more than it has promoted it.

The Civil Rights Act - right intentions? I would think so. Forcing people to cede their private rights and liberties to comply with an unconstitutional use of federal power? Wrong action. Exercising the Civil Rights Act by stretching the meaning and intent of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution was unjustified. The power to regulate private property in such a manner was not meant for the federal government.

It did increase racial tensions, because it forced people into situations that they were not ready to be in. Ever read a definition for the word tension? :imslow:

Clearly, tension settled as people just got used to the fact, but people would have naturally chosen to come together as well, over time, as irrational prejudices naturally do. The change would have been more gradual, perhaps. The point is, the power to force this was not justified under the framework this country is to exist within. They could have amended the Constitution in order to do so - that would be a sign that the nature of reality was ready to make it happen, in which case, it wouldn't be necessary in the first place. :lol:

It is nothing but a case of the federal government expanding its powers and becoming more tyrannical in the guise of creating positive change that would have occurred on its own, naturally. The Civil Rights had nothing to do with civil rights and everything to do with usurping state rights.

All you have to understand is the means by which the federal government excused its usage of this power. It excused it through the Commerce Clause, which states that Congress has the power to regulate commerce amongst the states. Congress and the Supreme Court (both federal institutions seeking more power) interpreted this as meaning that, if a commercial institution served customers that were from a different state, they could regulate it, or, if the commercial institution operated with materials from a different state, they could regulate it. That is quite the stretch in my opinion. :smirk:

Anyways, each state themselves could have regulated the commerce in their state as they saw fit. Civil rights is a truly wonderful cause, one that the federal government had no right in assuming undue authority for itself to force. Surely, some states would have legislated civil rights in 1964, and some wouldn't, and the states that did would have flourished and been more successful.

Of course, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 wasn't about civil rights, it was about the federal government assuming powers over commerce that was meant for the states to handle and taking it on for itself in its malignant expansion of itself.

For you to take a reasonable, intellectual understanding of a complex matter regarding the balance of power between the state and federal governments, as put forward by Ron Paul, and portray him as racist simply because you don't know what the hell he is talking about, is the height of moronism. :imslow:


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Purple Mushroom]
    #7824083 - 01/02/08 03:03 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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VOTE FOR RON PAUL!




Ron Paul is my second choice on the Republican ticket, and my fifth overall.

Rest assured that if B-Rock, Hillary, The Ambulance Chaser, and Saigon John all go down, Ron Paul will be sure to get my vote.


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7828281 - 01/03/08 04:38 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Forget it, he ain't going to win. It would be nice, but i doubt it.

Its a shame though i wanted to stay in the usa, but i know im leaving this country sometime probably sometime in the next 7yrs.

I don't want to be enslaved or waiting for some country to blow us
away, i wasn't responsible for what happened.

Hmmm, i would like to go to canada, dublin, japan, or new zealand.

Yep those sound very nice to me.

Japan though maybe a bit too much.


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