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Luddite
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Ron Paul Meet the Press
Atlanta, GA 12/23/2007 07:58 PM GMT (FINDITT)
Ron Paul appeared on Meet the Press today with Tim Russert and looked terrible. He was not prepared for any of Russert’s questions.
After admitting that he supports decriminalizing drugs at a national level, that he would vote against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 if it were brought up again, pointed out that he though Ronald Reagan was “a dramatic failure” and that Abraham Lincoln should have bought the slaves and freed them instead of going to war over them, Ron Paul disappointed the nation today. It was a huge contrast between today’s Meet the Press appearance and his appearance on CNN with Glenn Beck last week. He let the questions trip him up and he didn’t even touch his idea of smaller government. He made it clear that he wanted to get rid of the IRS, FBI and CIA but did not submit any alternative solutions.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=31287&cat=5
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He's got my vote! Only hope left for this country.
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vampirism
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Luddite]
#7804253 - 12/27/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Luddite said: Ron Paul Meet the Press
Atlanta, GA 12/23/2007 07:58 PM GMT (FINDITT)
Ron Paul appeared on Meet the Press today with Tim Russert and looked terrible. He was not prepared for any of Russert’s questions.
After admitting that he supports decriminalizing drugs at a national level, that he would vote against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 if it were brought up again, pointed out that he though Ronald Reagan was “a dramatic failure” and that Abraham Lincoln should have bought the slaves and freed them instead of going to war over them, Ron Paul disappointed the nation today. It was a huge contrast between today’s Meet the Press appearance and his appearance on CNN with Glenn Beck last week. He let the questions trip him up and he didn’t even touch his idea of smaller government. He made it clear that he wanted to get rid of the IRS, FBI and CIA but did not submit any alternative solutions.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=31287&cat=5
did you actually watch the video? ron paul made a fool out of russert and did very well. what neocon wrote that piece of trash?
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SFsorrow
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Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.
Are you serious? That is the most blatantly racist and revisionist speech I have yet heard of his. He is just talking out his ass on this one. "forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions" Oh, like they were cheeky to start with! Seriously now, making black people enter the same door as white people, making blacks and whites ride side by side on buses, making backs attend the same school as whites REALLY was ultimately negative in the end? Like segregation was something to be proud of? As if the Jim Crow laws were benign and just? Why have the past ~40 years seen an unprecedented improvement in racial equality since the beginning of American Slavery? I don't think hip-hop is causing it. The only reduction in individual liberties it caused was the black man who now can sit at the front of the bus, who can attend the same public schools, who can use the same bathrooms, who can use the same drinking fountains, who can buy the same house as whites, who can work in the same place as whites. He obviously has less individual liberties as a result of the Civil Liberties Act of 1964.
Ron Paul sure has a lot to back up this:
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Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Where are the statistics to prove this? I'd like to see them Dr. Paul.
And Fireworks_god, you sure have a lot of proof to back up your own rebuttal. We are just blowing hot air at this point and quite obviously nothing is going to change on an Internet forum dedicated to illegal drugs. I'm just saying that the impacts of Ron Paul's stances would seriously undermine the Nation regardless of what he says. Look at the history of the USA, when we did not have compulsory public education, it was common place for young children to be working in factories, and to be utterly shitted on, abused, neglected, degraded by the the employer. Remember the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire? How about the rampant child labor at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century? Your telling me that I should support 8 year old children going to work in factories, because the market conditions support such a practice? I bet they also volunteered to be molested, injured, abused, degraded while they were on the job. The free market does not make everyone equal. The free market is not the end all, be all, savor to all of life's problems.
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: SFsorrow]
#7823441 - 01/02/08 11:47 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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The basic premise of his argument is that the federal government did not have the authority to force different races to all gather in the same spaces, beyond that of the school systems or any other government institutions, of course, and that the act of doing so has imposed upon our individual liberty more than it has promoted it.
The Civil Rights Act - right intentions? I would think so. Forcing people to cede their private rights and liberties to comply with an unconstitutional use of federal power? Wrong action. Exercising the Civil Rights Act by stretching the meaning and intent of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution was unjustified. The power to regulate private property in such a manner was not meant for the federal government.
It did increase racial tensions, because it forced people into situations that they were not ready to be in. Ever read a definition for the word tension?
Clearly, tension settled as people just got used to the fact, but people would have naturally chosen to come together as well, over time, as irrational prejudices naturally do. The change would have been more gradual, perhaps. The point is, the power to force this was not justified under the framework this country is to exist within. They could have amended the Constitution in order to do so - that would be a sign that the nature of reality was ready to make it happen, in which case, it wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
It is nothing but a case of the federal government expanding its powers and becoming more tyrannical in the guise of creating positive change that would have occurred on its own, naturally. The Civil Rights had nothing to do with civil rights and everything to do with usurping state rights.
All you have to understand is the means by which the federal government excused its usage of this power. It excused it through the Commerce Clause, which states that Congress has the power to regulate commerce amongst the states. Congress and the Supreme Court (both federal institutions seeking more power) interpreted this as meaning that, if a commercial institution served customers that were from a different state, they could regulate it, or, if the commercial institution operated with materials from a different state, they could regulate it. That is quite the stretch in my opinion.
Anyways, each state themselves could have regulated the commerce in their state as they saw fit. Civil rights is a truly wonderful cause, one that the federal government had no right in assuming undue authority for itself to force. Surely, some states would have legislated civil rights in 1964, and some wouldn't, and the states that did would have flourished and been more successful.
Of course, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 wasn't about civil rights, it was about the federal government assuming powers over commerce that was meant for the states to handle and taking it on for itself in its malignant expansion of itself.
For you to take a reasonable, intellectual understanding of a complex matter regarding the balance of power between the state and federal governments, as put forward by Ron Paul, and portray him as racist simply because you don't know what the hell he is talking about, is the height of moronism.
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Purple Mushroom said: VOTE FOR RON PAUL!
Ron Paul is my second choice on the Republican ticket, and my fifth overall.
Rest assured that if B-Rock, Hillary, The Ambulance Chaser, and Saigon John all go down, Ron Paul will be sure to get my vote.
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Purple Mushroom
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Forget it, he ain't going to win. It would be nice, but i doubt it.
Its a shame though i wanted to stay in the usa, but i know im leaving this country sometime probably sometime in the next 7yrs.
I don't want to be enslaved or waiting for some country to blow us away, i wasn't responsible for what happened.
Hmmm, i would like to go to canada, dublin, japan, or new zealand.
Yep those sound very nice to me.
Japan though maybe a bit too much.
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