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Purple Mushroom
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Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE!
#7790606 - 12/22/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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After hearing off ron paul recently from this website, for the first time in my life i have become dwellved into politics.
This man is the gandhi of america, its just isn't the legal cannabis or the end of the drug war, but for the sake of america it has so much potential but not with corruption.
I beg of you vote for this man, ive never voted in my life, but this guy has changed that.
I apologize if theres a thread similar to this.
I'm just trying to emphasize the importance of spreading the word!
Unfuck America
VOTE FOR RON PAUL!
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FecalDildo
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Purple Mushroom said: its just isn't the legal cannabis or the end of the drug war,
Isn't it? Why else would you vote for him then?
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Le_Canard
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Uhm, no, sorry.
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Seuss
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Le_Canard]
#7791541 - 12/23/07 03:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> Uhm, no, sorry.
Don't make me get out the waterboard...
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rubixcubies
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i have one question for you right meow to see if i think ron paul will win or even come close. is he descended from the kings of old?
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Luddite
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I'm watching him on Meet the Press right now.
Ron Paul on Meet the Press
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/
He thinks Israel wants us to bomb Iran
He thinks Al Qaeda is right in wanting the USA to leave Saudi Arabia. Note that Osama bin Laden lost his Saudi Arabian citizenship, so what he thinks doesn't matter.
He wants us to abolish the FBI, CIA, public schools, income tax and welfare......
He sounds pretty radical.
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johnm214



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2 out of 3 of your stated reasons aren't even to be attempted under Paul presidency.
But he's said he wouldn't enforce federal marijuana laws at least, and I presume that would extend to other drugs.
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Phred
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: johnm214]
#7792690 - 12/23/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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But he's said he wouldn't enforce federal marijuana laws at least, and I presume that would extend to other drugs.
Why would you presume that?
Phred
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Phred]
#7792709 - 12/23/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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cuz there is no logical distinction between marijuana and other drugs from his stated position, the congress has no authority to penalize local possesion and trafficing (ignoring case law here)
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fireworks_god
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Phred]
#7794483 - 12/24/07 12:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Phred said: Why would you presume that?
Ron Paul has stated as much and lives his life and role as a politician in respect of the ideals that allow an individual to make their own choices.
As the only Congressmen to ever introduce a bill to allow for the commercial sale of unpastuerized milk, in interest of the principle that the government is not needed to keep us safe, coupled with the fact that he has stated he would stand for the decriminalization of all drugs, as it is a social problem, not a criminal one, one that needs treatment, citing all of the woes of prohibition, it is logically safe to presume as much.
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Phred
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Ron Paul has stated he favors the decriminalization of all drugs? Meth, coke, smack included?
Yet another reason why he has exactly zero chance of becoming the Republican nominee.
Phred
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Seuss
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Phred]
#7794874 - 12/24/07 07:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> Ron Paul has stated he favors the decriminalization of all drugs?
That is a mis-characterization of his position. As far as I know, he has never stated that all drugs should be decriminalized. My understanding of his position is that regulation, or decriminalization of drug usage should be left entirely up to the individual states based upon the 10th amendment to the US Constitution.
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johnm214



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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Seuss]
#7795016 - 12/24/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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people also need to distinguish between what his personal view is and what he advocates for government
He's said many times recreational drugs should be legal, but I've not heard him say he'd try and usurp state authority via any means avaialable to ensure they legalize.
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SlashOZ
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: johnm214]
#7796541 - 12/24/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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schools are bad. massachusetts went from having a 99% literacy rate to a 91% literacy rate before public schools were forced upon then by the military. they are essentially institutionalized racist, sexist, prisons for children. the education is hallow, uncritical as well as prejudice.
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Minstrel
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: SlashOZ]
#7796699 - 12/24/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ron Paul's position is that the Feds don't have the authority to crimialize pot. If states wanna make laws against it, they will.
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SFsorrow
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: SlashOZ]
#7797297 - 12/25/07 02:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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SAVE AMERICA, PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL! Ron Paul wants to roll back civil rights while he talks about freedoms. Ron Paul wants give the USA back to the rich elite of society by means of a laissez-faire government which will be the result of his 'libertarian'-branded economic model. Ron Paul is banking on your ignorance to his ACTUAL stated stance on many issues in order for you to give him your vote.
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SlashOZ said: schools are bad.
I have NO IDEA how you could ever logically claim that. Without government sponsored schools we would still be living under an Oligarchy in the guise of a Republic, the rich would be able to afford an education for their children while the poor would simply be unable to afford the VERY EXPENSIVE cost for a private education. The ideal of a totally privatized educational system working in harmony and allowing ABSOLUTELY every child to attend and get the same education as one another, as how our current system works, is totally naive. The rich can afford it while the poor can not. It is as simple as that. If you want to enslave the poor, be my guest, vote for Ron Paul. You might as well also give up your overtime pay, because that sure as hell would not exist under a Ron Paul Presidency. While your at it you should also give up the idea of vacation time as well, because you know, that was governmental interference in the market. What about the idea of a workers right to a safe work environment, yep, thats just dumb governmental meddling in the market.
Seriously now, Ron Paul is against the Civil Rights Act! How can anyone who holds any ideals of liberalism and social progress support a candidate who is expressly against such things?
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Le_Canard
The Duk Abides


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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: SFsorrow]
#7797367 - 12/25/07 03:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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SFsorrow said: SAVE AMERICA, PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL! Ron Paul wants to roll back civil rights while he talks about freedoms. Ron Paul wants give the USA back to the rich elite of society by means of a laissez-faire government which will be the result of his 'libertarian'-branded economic model. Ron Paul is banking on your ignorance to his ACTUAL stated stance on many issues in order for you to give him your vote.
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SlashOZ said: schools are bad.
I have NO IDEA how you could ever logically claim that. Without government sponsored schools we would still be living under an Oligarchy in the guise of a Republic, the rich would be able to afford an education for their children while the poor would simply be unable to afford the VERY EXPENSIVE cost for a private education. The ideal of a totally privatized educational system working in harmony and allowing ABSOLUTELY every child to attend and get the same education as one another, as how our current system works, is totally naive. The rich can afford it while the poor can not. It is as simple as that. If you want to enslave the poor, be my guest, vote for Ron Paul. You might as well also give up your overtime pay, because that sure as hell would not exist under a Ron Paul Presidency. While your at it you should also give up the idea of vacation time as well, because you know, that was governmental interference in the market. What about the idea of a workers right to a safe work environment, yep, thats just dumb governmental meddling in the market.
Seriously now, Ron Paul is against the Civil Rights Act! How can anyone who holds any ideals of liberalism and social progress support a candidate who is expressly against such things?
Hear! Hear! The man is nothing but an ultra-right wing loony.
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: Le_Canard]
#7797395 - 12/25/07 03:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Vote For Ron Paul PLEASE! [Re: SFsorrow]
#7797488 - 12/25/07 05:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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SFsorrow said: Ron Paul wants to roll back civil rights while he talks about freedoms.
No he doesn't.
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Ron Paul wants give the USA back to the rich elite of society by means of a laissez-faire government which will be the result of his 'libertarian'-branded economic model.
No he doesn't.
What do you fucking mean, "give the USA back to the rich elite of society"?
Ron Paul stands agansit corporatism, which is essentially the control of government by large special interest groups - i.e. large corporations. Can't put the rich elite in any more control than that. Why don't you provide some substance to your ignorance?
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Ron Paul is banking on your ignorance to his ACTUAL stated stance on many issues in order for you to give him your vote.
Any substantiation as to his "ACTUAL" stated stance?
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SlashOZ said: If you want to enslave the poor, be my guest, vote for Ron Paul.
Enslave them... by... not subsidizing them with federal money? Make it so they actually have to work for a living? No, you're right.... slavery to the government is much more noble than people performing work to provide for their own means.
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You might as well also give up your overtime pay, because that sure as hell would not exist under a Ron Paul Presidency.
What overtime pay? What the fuck are you talking about? If Ron Paul were president, he would be working to a more stable, prosporous economy, which would mean more demand for work, which means that employers would be much more willing to offer overtime, something that isn't very common nowadays.
I mean, I know you're just coming up with unsubstantiated accusations because you're ignorant, but come on.
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While your at it you should also give up the idea of vacation time as well, because you know, that was governmental interference in the market. What about the idea of a workers right to a safe work environment, yep, thats just dumb governmental meddling in the market.
Ahh, so Ron Paul has advocated no vacation time and an unsafe work environment? Any links, substantiation, or are you simply being a raving moron?
There is a difference between a restrained government and no government. Ron Paul is not an advocate of no government. I guess if you have nothing credible to thow agansit Ron Paul, you'd just start making stupid shit up, which is quite apparently the case.
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Seriously now, Ron Paul is against the Civil Rights Act! How can anyone who holds any ideals of liberalism and social progress support a candidate who is expressly against such things?
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Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.
This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.
Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676.
You know what? He's right. All humans have equal rights, as individuals, not as minorities. The Civil Rights Act is unconstitutional.
Go ahead and be a slave. The American people, by and large, want to be free individuals, capable of leading their own lives as they see fit. Come back when you have some substance to present.
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SlashOZ
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lol at your responses to my schools are bad. look, honestly i only advocate making school attendence a choice instead of under the current model of compulsory attendence enforced by child seizure and placement in a foster home, fines, jail time, and/or parenting classes. i don't think our government has the right to force education on people.
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