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God: Part or Apart?
#7789808 - 12/22/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are we part of or apart from?
I think God is everything all matter all voids, the universe. I don't think he made us apart from him as a separate entity.
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I don't think he made us apart from him as a separate entity.
"HE" implies someone else than the self. Considering that, what you just said doesn't have any logic.
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I don't think he made us apart from him as a separate entity.
"HE" implies someone else than the self. Considering that, what you just said doesn't have any logic.
Semantics.
Could be said, "I don't think God made us apart from him."
Ok, its like this. There is a big rock in an empty room, it breaks into smaller rocks, the total mass of the system doesn't' change and the smaller rocks are created from and essentially the same as the big rock. The little rock could say "him" when referring to the big rock but in the end its all the same rock.
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No it's not semantics it's logic. And the rock can't say anything from what I know. And if god is everything why call it god when it is already maned everything?
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Of course the rock can't talk, its an analogy. Could you not see the point trying to be made?
And it can be called God instead of everything because there can be multiple meanings for a word and different words can mean the same thing. Plus for the sake of explanation I felt it would be easier to understand put that way.
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Ok, tell me about the multiple meanings. In my opinion, it is exactly them that confuses us.
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MushroomTrip said: Ok, tell me about the multiple meanings. In my opinion, it is exactly them that confuses us.
Look in a dictionary, you will see multiple definitions for a given word. Likewise, there are multiple words that have essentially the same meaning (i.e. mad and angry).
So why do you think we are separate?
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Yeah, multiple definitions and often contradictory. Which is god? 
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So why do you think we are separate?
Separate from what? If you're talking about god, I don't know what to tell you because we really don't know if there's a god
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If you take the traditional teaching of god it would make no sense to say he was not apart from what encompasses the self.
I consider us, conciosness.
I think this is what is meant by we are all one, in seperable thing. It just doesnt seem like you could seperate conciousness from conciosness...it just wouldnt be conciousness any more.
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It just doesnt seem like you could seperate conciousness from conciosness...it just wouldnt be conciousness any more.
You can't separate air from air, but then there are cold currents, warm currents, tornados  I guess that it is only in a metaphorical way that you can say we're all one.
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I don't like to think of God as an individual, but more as a collective unconscious.... Kinda like the Borg on Star Trek.
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JoseLibrado said: If you take the traditional teaching of god it would make no sense to say he was not apart from what encompasses the self.
I consider us, conciosness.
I think this is what is meant by we are all one, in seperable thing. It just doesnt seem like you could seperate conciousness from conciosness...it just wouldnt be conciousness any more.
This is kinda what I think too. We can be made up of 'God', 'the one', 'everything' but a part of him may exist outside of this universe as well.
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WScottsdale said: Who are you debating with?
I just want to know others opinions, I have my beliefs but am open to change them given better information.
I'll just lay out how I arrived to believing part of instead of apart. The word says there are no other Gods. To me this would imply that God is the only being (before his creation). As a student of thermodynamics and physics it seems logical to me that in order for him to create something else it would have to be made from him since he is the only 'thing'. To me this would imply that the creation of the universe (maybe one of many?) is a creation composed of God essentially.
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Cracka_X]
#7790195 - 12/22/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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We are God experiencing himself because.
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is a creation composed of God essentially.
Composed of god and what else? And I'm asking you again. can you please define god for me?
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Ginseng1]
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Ginseng1 said: We are God experiencing himself because.
yeah, well I agree and disagree. As God can be one thing, but one thing would be far from what else God is or are. So yes and no... To deny anything that isn't God would make God not God.
This is a horrible argument.
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is a creation composed of God essentially.
Composed of god and what else? And I'm asking you again. can you please define god for me?
God and nothing else because there is no other 'thing' before him like I said.
My definition of God is a higher power, the creator of everything. Different religions see God in a different light, my light is based on Christianity. If someone has a different religion or definition of God and came to a different conclusion I'd love to hear the reasoning behind that belief.
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You specifically said that the world is composed of god (and ) I might be mistaking, but the meaning on the word composed implies more than one ingredient. So I humbly ask again: this world is composed of god and... what else?
The idea of a Christian god just doesn't float my boat.  Besides, the Christian concept of god comes in contradiction with your earlier statements. I have no definition for god simply because it's a nonfunctional term. Why limit and bound ourselves to a static definition when we have all this variated reality to explore?
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MushroomTrip said: You specifically said that the world is composed of god (and ) I might be mistaking, but the meaning on the word composed implies more than one ingredient.
Composed in this case means made up of (like this golf club is composed of titanium).
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MushroomTrip said: Besides, the Christian concept of god comes in contradiction with your earlier statements.
What did I say that was in contradiction?
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MushroomTrip said: Why limit and bound ourselves to a static definition when we have all this variated reality to explore?
How does my definition inhibit my ability to explore reality?
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What did I say that was in contradiction?
That for example:
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Ok, its like this. There is a big rock in an empty room, it breaks into smaller rocks, the total mass of the system doesn't' change and the smaller rocks are created from and essentially the same as the big rock. The little rock could say "him" when referring to the big rock but in the end its all the same rock.
The Christian definition of god: some dude who judges each and every action of ours and is ready to punish. A god that stands somewhere above his creation.
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How does my definition inhibit my ability to explore reality?
What purpose is there in naming things which are not there? It is pretty clear how this step can be detrimental to us perceiving and living life first hand.
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"To deny anything that isn't God would make God not God."
This makes sense. God would be unknowable unless not God, ceased to exist.
this means that to know the what real god is, we must know and believe what real god is not. And vice versa. It just cannot happen any other way. So in the sense that an illusion is a thing, that is not a thing, god is what he is and what he isnt.
Tricky and sounds contradictory. But would you consider "A thing that is not real" a thing.Or in other words.
Is Nothing a thing. I think it must be because i can see that everything is a thing, and nothing is a thing that everything becomes evident, existent and reciprically.
SO to deny the importance of what god is not, would be to deny god, because it is through knowing "what god is not" that we can distinguish what we is.
Distinguish is defined as a differentiation that allows one to know what makes something distinct or different and thus recognizable as that thing.
Ie/ A color is only known as a color, is you can recognize that there are other colors.
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JackthaTripper said: Are we part of or apart from?
I think God is everything all matter all voids, the universe. I don't think he made us apart from him as a separate entity.
What do you think?
Show me any reasonable evidence for a God and I will enter the debate.
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MushroomTrip said: The Christian definition of god: some dude who judges each and every action of ours and is ready to punish. A god that stands somewhere above his creation.
What purpose is there in naming things which are not there? It is pretty clear how this step can be detrimental to us perceiving and living life first hand.
To a person who has probably never gone to church, your definition of the Christian God may be acceptable, and the rock example was an analogy. Plus, the big rock can still stand above and judge the smaller rocks, the two are not mutually exclusive.
My definition of God has not inhibited my experience of life if anything it has helped me appreciate the beauty and value of it. Have you ever used the word unicorn (something that is not there)?
If you don't believe in God, why would you come in here and try to disprove what I'm saying? Your arguments have disproved nothing and have only taken away from the topic at hand.
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Icelander]
#7791773 - 12/23/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Show me any reasonable evidence for a God and I will enter the debate.
There is no solid evidence for the existence of God. How would one prove such a thing? I could ask you to prove that there isn't a God (a task just as impossible).
I can give you my reasoning for why I believe that God exists.
I can see that the universe and life in general has a sort of knowledge built into it (life has an intrinsic instinct to have cells multiply... the universe has a similar intrinsic set of rules). For me I see no way that this knowledge could exist without being put there by a higher form of intelligence. This gives me reasonable 'proof' of the existence of God. That's my reasoning anyway.
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Icelander]
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Show me any reasonable evidence for a God and I will enter the debate.
When did this become a debate? The topic was started by someone who wanted to know whether people who believed in God saw God as something of which everything is part, or a higher intelligence.
It's not something we can all sit around debating for a few hours and come to an answer about that- it was a question, presumably posed to see what various people believe.
I'm not having a go at you here, I just think you missed the point of the thread.
To answer the initial question- I'm increasingly disliking the word God as it conjures images of an egotistical judge, but I certainly believe there is an all-pervasive energy field of pure positivity out of which everything is made, and of which everything is part. Somewhere in "Be Here Now", Richard Alpert gives a description of the Clear Light which pretty much sums up my personal views on spirituality.
I found it again just now, actually: "The entire cosmos, at every plane and in every form, is energy... The highest plane of form, from which all other planes are derived, is the Clear White Light: a homogeneous light field which includes everything. Every quantum of energy is interchangeable with every other one, and there is continuous change: continuous transformation of energy from one form to another. Thus everything in the universe is interrelated."
He goes on to state that Cosmic Consciousness, in which oneself has been transcended and the mind dissolved into the infinite, is oneness with everything, and that state is true spirituality. So I suppose I believe everything is part of this Cosmic Consciousness, constantly undergoing the illusion of separateness.
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To a person who has probably never gone to church, your definition of the Christian God may be acceptable, and the rock example was an analogy. Plus, the big rock can still stand above and judge the smaller rocks, the two are not mutually exclusive.
The rock analogy doesn't work because it does not translate into human experience.  I don't know if a rock possesses any form of consciousness, but it most definitely doesn't have one that can be equated with human consciousness, therefore your entire argumentation fails. Try again.
Also I am going to have to ask you to stop making assumptions regarding the amount of times I'm going to church because we are not here to discuss personal matters. The description of the Christian god that I gave was a little sarcastic but not erroneous.
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My definition of God has not inhibited my experience of life if anything it has helped me appreciate the beauty and value of it. Have you ever used the word unicorn (something that is not there)?
What does have to do with anything?
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If you don't believe in God, why would you come in here and try to disprove what I'm saying? Your arguments have disproved nothing and have only taken away from the topic at hand.
Because we're not in MRP we're in P&S.  Let's try to keep a lucid mind in here and resume to facts, shall we?
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: EllisDSox]
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EllisDSox said: "The entire cosmos, at every plane and in every form, is energy... The highest plane of form, from which all other planes are derived, is the Clear White Light: a homogeneous light field which includes everything. Every quantum of energy is interchangeable with every other one, and there is continuous change: continuous transformation of energy from one form to another. Thus everything in the universe is interrelated."
He goes on to state that Cosmic Consciousness, in which oneself has been transcended and the mind dissolved into the infinite, is oneness with everything, and that state is true spirituality. So I suppose I believe everything is part of this Cosmic Consciousness, constantly undergoing the illusion of separateness.
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MushroomTrip said: The rock analogy doesn't work because it does not translate into human experience.  I don't know if a rock possesses any form of consciousness, but it most definitely doesn't have one that can be equated with human consciousness, therefore your entire argumentation fails. Try again.
The rock analogy was constructed only to explain how 'him' was used in my original description, because you didn't understand. The rock doesn't need consciousness, it's an analogy.
I can't believe I have to explain this again. Here is another analogy since you obviously still do not understand the point of the use 'him'.
A cell divides, it is composed of nothing but its original matter but is in different parts. If cells could talk one could say 'him' referring to the other but they are essentially the same. If you still don't understand then I'm sorry I don't have the patients to explain it again.
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MushroomTrip said: Also I am going to have to ask you to stop making assumptions regarding the amount of times I'm going to church because we are not here to discuss personal matters. The description of the Christian god that I gave was a little sarcastic but not erroneous.
You gave a description that sounded like someone who had never been to church. Like I said before the two are not mutually exclusive.
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My definition of God has not inhibited my experience of life if anything it has helped me appreciate the beauty and value of it. Have you ever used the word unicorn (something that is not there)?
What does have to do with anything?
Its a word that describes an imaginary object but it doesn't inhibit your reality does it? To you God is imaginary that's fine, just don't come and try to derail my thread because of it.
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If you don't believe in God, why would you come in here and try to disprove what I'm saying? Your arguments have disproved nothing and have only taken away from the topic at hand.
Because we're not in MRP we're in P&S.  Let's try to keep a lucid mind in here and resume to facts, shall we?
I wanted a spirited debate and criticism that's why I chose P&S. What have I said that is not lucid or factual? (Like we said God can not be proven or unproven so don't use that argument).
Please contribute to the original question or stop posting.
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This gives me reasonable 'proof' of the existence of God. That's my reasoning anyway.
Have you ever deeply considered that your "reasonable proof" may be nothing more then a pervasive cultural program that operates in you on a mostly subconscious level?
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Icelander]
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Religion has been corrupted by man. I have considered that it could be a cultural program designed to control. But my reasoning of why God exists still holds logical to me regardless of religious corruption by man. I can have a personal relationship with God without the counsel of a priest or a strictly controlled religion, removing myself from the corruption of religion by man (to as large of part as I can).
I gave my reasoning for the existence of God.
Whats your proof he doesn't exist?
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I never said that a All Loving God that will send you to Hell if you don't obey (or any other concept of god) doesn't exist. How would I know?
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Icelander]
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Well you asked me to prove his existence so I assumed you didn't believe he existed.
Did my explanation of why I think he exists make sense? Do you believe he exists?
If so, what is your opinion on 'part/apart'?
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The rock analogy was constructed only to explain how 'him' was used in my original description, because you didn't understand. The rock doesn't need consciousness, it's an analogy.
It's an analogy which doesn't connect to the human spirit and experience, therefor it is a flawed analogy. 
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I can't believe I have to explain this again. Here is another analogy since you obviously still do not understand the point of the use 'him'.
Then I guess it will be very hard for you to believe me when I'll ask you to make yet another one. 
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A cell divides, it is composed of nothing but its original matter but is in different parts. If cells could talk one could say 'him' referring to the other but they are essentially the same. If you still don't understand then I'm sorry I don't have the patients to explain it again
It really looks like you don't have the "patients" because this analogy sucked too.  So, in your opinion, god is a cell which forms other cells (us) and so on. How does this relate to a Christian god? A judging god who wants us to live by the standards he imposes and accept Jesus Christ as our savior? A god that created us in his image? How do all that relate to the cell example? 
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You gave a description that sounded like someone who had never been to church. Like I said before the two are not mutually exclusive.
I am sorry but in order to make a point you need to EXPLAIN, saying that "it isn't so" doesn't prove that you're right.
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Its a word that describes an imaginary object but it doesn't inhibit your reality does it? To you God is imaginary that's fine, just don't come and try to derail my thread because of it.
Please leave all this bitching aside, this is no place for acting like a butt-hurt. You are talking nonsense and I am asking you to sustain it, if you can.  If you can't then off with you to MRP. 
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I wanted a spirited debate and criticism that's why I chose P&S. What have I said that is not lucid or factual? (Like we said God can not be proven or unproven so don't use that argument).
Of course it can. Based on the evidence we have until now.  I am not disproving god because you can't refute nothingness. It's in your duty to bring evidence that he exists, since you are the one who proposed him as a subject of discussion and the entire discussion fails when it lacks of the main ingredient. 
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Please contribute to the original question or stop posting.
I am sorry but you are not the dictator of this thread (even if you started it ) and I am FREE to address questions to ANY of your points and find new interpretations. However, you are free to stop answering to the matters I discuss, and I am free to understand that you did that because you didn't have an answer.
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You can think I stopped because I didn't have an answer but in reality I'm tired of talking in circles with you and have explained my position on all of those points already. I'm not going to keep saying the same thing over and over again because you can't connect the dots. Everyone else got it.
Stick with the nudes they were your greatest contribution to the shroomery from what I've seen.
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You can think I stopped because I didn't have an answer but in reality I'm tired of talking in circles with you and have explained my position on all of those points already. I'm not going to keep saying the same thing over and over again because you can't connect the dots. Everyone else got it.
How do you know that everyone else "got" it? You can't really connect the inexistent dots. 
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Stick with the nudes they were your greatest contribution to the shroomery from what I've seen.
Ahh yes! This is a clear case of a mentally impotent male who, when threatened, makes stupid sexual remarks to a female. I wish you good luck with all that kid.
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I know they got it because they gave intelligent responses to the question asked. They didn't need multiple explanations and analogies they just answered the question at hand.
And no this is the case of a stupid (but moderately good looking female) who tries to be intellectual and ends up looking like a dumbass.
Stop detracting from the thread!
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This is not a thread, this is a joke of a thread
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Then why the FUCK are you here?
You must think things you don't understand are comical.
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I am sorry, but your posts just don't make any sense and then you get pissed off because of your own inability to explain what you meant.
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They don't make sense to you.
Obviously others got it. If you don't understand after multiple explanations then I don't know what to tell you other then find another thread you can maybe comprehend.
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JackthaTripper said: Well you asked me to prove his existence so I assumed you didn't believe he existed.
Did my explanation of why I think he exists make sense? Do you believe he exists?
If so, what is your opinion on 'part/apart'?
I'm agnostic but if pushed I think a god makes no sense considering current evidence.
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Icelander]
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What evidence sways your opinion towards not believing?
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Its easier to live life without the worry of being judged and worrying about the whole hell for eternity thing.
I've seen no evidence that disproves his existence, if you have some I would like to see it.
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I have met God, he is not a happy fellow right now....he did this to himself by giving us freewill...GODDAMNIT!!!! Once the holy spirit fills you, you arent you anymore...you are a shell housing the spirit of God...too many damned people on the planet atm...he has spread himself thin...imagine what might happen if we got on the same page for just one moment...I just feel greatful our species is confined to the milky way system for a while...the other beings out there view us as a parasite to the entire expanse of the infinity.
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Icelander said: I'm agnostic but if pushed I think a god makes no sense considering current evidence.
What evidence sways your opinion towards not believing?
Humanity.
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Gretchenmeister said: I have met God, he is not a happy fellow right now....he did this to himself by giving us freewill...GODDAMNIT!!!! Once the holy spirit fills you, you arent you anymore...you are a shell housing the spirit of God...too many damned people on the planet atm...he has spread himself thin...imagine what might happen if we got on the same page for just one moment...I just feel greatful our species is confined to the milky way system for a while...the other beings out there view us as a parasite to the entire expanse of the infinity.
Are you saying you would have rather God given us no freewill? We'd be basically robots then. Many believe God is all powerful, so how would he be 'spread thin'?
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JackthaTripper said: What evidence sways your opinion towards not believing?
Humanity.
Humanity has done some terrible things, but you have to admit we've done some amazing things as well. Would you take back your existence if you could take back humans ever existing? To believers God gave us this wonderful opportunity to be alive and to experience everything. When someone truly believes in him I think their heart is transformed to peace and these are the people that do really amazing and humble things for others and this world; this is the essence of God and his message.
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Would you take back your existence if you could take back humans ever existing?
Sure
To believers God gave us this wonderful opportunity to be alive and to experience everything. When someone truly believes in him I think their heart is transformed to peace and these are the people that do really amazing and humble things for others and this world; this is the essence of God and his message.
Blah blah blah I'd like to send all the "believers" to where god is so we could have a decent world to play in.
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Icelander]
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I never understood why believers cry when a loved one goes to paradise or tremble when their own end approaches. Could it be that deep down they really do NOT believe?
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Gee OC, you might be on to sumpthin.
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I don't know about this whole God being spread thin thing but I have had similar revelations on acid... each person is the son/daughter of god, so the more people you have the less special each person becomes and each person becomes a Specialist in something instead of being able to stand alone in greatness. This means that we are all much more codependent than we should be while at the same time we resent each other for needing to be codependent; unless you are a spiritual person/righteous and make it your mission to become selfless. Even still, there are so many different variations of people now that it is much easier for personalities to clash rather than produce something beneficial.
My perspective is starting to shift though and I don't know if I can entertain this idea anymore, especially since it came to me on acid.
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Sounds like dirty acid.
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Icelander]
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Nah, it was pretty good acid. Have you seen the movie Idiocracy? It's basically the same idea. Evolution favors those who produce the most, not the smartest - so humanity gets dumber. We, or God, favor free will or individuality over selflessness so we become more fragmented rather than a wholly unified species.
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Icelander said: I'd like to send all the "believers" to where god is so we could have a decent world to play in.
Well it looks like you'll get your wish when you die, this is Gods plan . Its not going to be very decent without him though .
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EternalCowabunga said: ... each person is the son/daughter of god, so the more people you have the less special each person becomes and each person becomes a Specialist in something instead of being able to stand alone in greatness. This means that we are all much more codependent than we should be while at the same time we resent each other for needing to be codependent; unless you are a spiritual person/righteous and make it your mission to become selfless. Even still, there are so many different variations of people now that it is much easier for personalities to clash rather than produce something beneficial.
It is an interesting idea. I'm not sure I can buy into it all though. He is controlling every atom in the universe, comprehending the control and amount of power this involves makes doubt that a few billion more people would hamper his ability to 'be there' for each individual. The universe has so much energy and mass dynamically interacting, it makes me think that whatever energy is spent on us is just a small blip. I do think it makes us more codependent though.
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OrgoneConclusion said: I never understood why believers cry when a loved one goes to paradise or tremble when their own end approaches. Could it be that deep down they really do NOT believe?
I kind of see what your saying as the end of life represents the beginning of eternal salvation, so you think why would they be sad if one goes to paradise at this point. This view however ignores the human emotion. Just because we're religious doesn't mean we don't have feelings. Of course, we're going to be sad, we are still going to miss that person and want to talk and see them again on this earth. We don't think the separation is permanent but we can still be sad that we are apart for the time being.
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Well it looks like you'll get your wish when you die, this is Gods plan . Its not going to be very decent without him though .
Gee thank you for speaking Gods mind for us as if you have a fucking clue about anything at all.
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Icelander]
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I'm just repeating what God told us via the Bible, I'm not sure why you would care so much...
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Whos us?
How do you know God said anything via the Bible?
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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Whos us?
Us = Humanity. The message has been given its your choice whether you heed or not.
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Icelander said:How do you know God said anything via the Bible?
There is no solid proof, just like the existence of God its a belief. Just like you believe there is no hell. How do you know he didn't?
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