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God: Part or Apart?
    #7789808 - 12/22/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Are we part of or apart from?

I think God is everything all matter all voids, the universe.
I don't think he made us apart from him as a separate entity.

What do you think?


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7789830 - 12/22/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think he made us apart from him as a separate entity.




"HE" implies someone else than the self.
Considering that, what you just said doesn't have any logic.


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7789851 - 12/22/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What god?


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7789910 - 12/22/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think he made us apart from him as a separate entity.




"HE" implies someone else than the self.
Considering that, what you just said doesn't have any logic.





Semantics.

Could be said, "I don't think God made us apart from him."

Ok, its like this. There is a big rock in an empty room, it breaks into smaller rocks, the total mass of the system doesn't' change and the smaller rocks are created from and essentially the same as the big rock. The little rock could say "him" when referring to the big rock but in the end its all the same rock.


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7789954 - 12/22/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No it's not semantics it's logic.
And the rock can't say anything from what I know.
And if god is everything why call it god when it is already maned everything?


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7790038 - 12/22/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Of course the rock can't talk, its an analogy. Could you not see the point trying to be made?

And it can be called God instead of everything because there can be multiple meanings for a word and different words can mean the same thing. Plus for the sake of explanation I felt it would be easier to understand put that way.


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7790044 - 12/22/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, tell me about the multiple meanings.
In my opinion, it is exactly them that confuses us.


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7790110 - 12/22/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ok, tell me about the multiple meanings.
In my opinion, it is exactly them that confuses us.




Look in a dictionary, you will see multiple definitions for a given word. Likewise, there are multiple words that have essentially the same meaning (i.e. mad and angry).

So why do you think we are separate?


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7790136 - 12/22/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, multiple definitions and often contradictory.
Which is god? :smirk:

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So why do you think we are separate?




Separate from what? If you're talking about god, I don't know what to tell you because we really don't know if there's a god


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7790144 - 12/22/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you take the traditional teaching of god it would make no sense to say he was not apart from what encompasses the self.

I consider us, conciosness.

I think this is what is meant by we are all one, in seperable thing.
It just doesnt seem like you could seperate conciousness from conciosness...it just wouldnt be conciousness any more.


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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.

And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7790160 - 12/22/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Who are you debating with?


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7790162 - 12/22/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It just doesnt seem like you could seperate conciousness from conciosness...it just wouldnt be conciousness any more.




You can't separate air from air, but then there are cold currents, warm currents, tornados :sherlock:
I guess that it is only in a metaphorical way that you can say we're all one.


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7790187 - 12/22/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't like to think of God as an individual, but more as a collective unconscious.... Kinda like the Borg on Star Trek.


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7790191 - 12/22/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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JoseLibrado said:
If you take the traditional teaching of god it would make no sense to say he was not apart from what encompasses the self.

I consider us, conciosness.

I think this is what is meant by we are all one, in seperable thing.
It just doesnt seem like you could seperate conciousness from conciosness...it just wouldnt be conciousness any more.




This is kinda what I think too. We can be made up of 'God', 'the one', 'everything' but a part of him may exist outside of this universe as well.


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Who are you debating with?




I just want to know others opinions, I have my beliefs but am open to change them given better information.




I'll just lay out how I arrived to believing part of instead of apart. The word says there are no other Gods. To me this would imply that God is the only being (before his creation). As a student of thermodynamics and physics it seems logical to me that in order for him to create something else it would have to be made from him since he is the only 'thing'. To me this would imply that the creation of the universe (maybe one of many?) is a creation composed of God essentially.


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7790195 - 12/22/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

We are God experiencing himself because.


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7790214 - 12/22/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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is a creation composed of God essentially.




Composed of god and what else?
And I'm asking you again. can you please define god for me?


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7790225 - 12/22/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ginseng1 said:
We are God experiencing himself because.




yeah, well I agree and disagree. As God can be one thing, but one thing would be far from what else God is or are. So yes and no... To deny anything that isn't God would make God not God.

This is a horrible argument.


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7790255 - 12/22/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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is a creation composed of God essentially.




Composed of god and what else?
And I'm asking you again. can you please define god for me?




God and nothing else because there is no other 'thing' before him like I said.

My definition of God is a higher power, the creator of everything. Different religions see God in a different light, my light is based on Christianity. If someone has a different religion or definition of God and came to a different conclusion I'd love to hear the reasoning behind that belief.


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7790305 - 12/22/07 07:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You specifically said that the world is composed of god (and:confused: )
I might be mistaking, but the meaning on the word composed implies more than one ingredient.
So I humbly ask again: this world is composed of god and... what else?

The idea of a Christian god just doesn't float my boat. :shrug:
Besides, the Christian concept of god comes in contradiction with your earlier statements.
I have no definition for god simply because it's a nonfunctional term. Why limit and bound ourselves to a static definition when we have all this variated reality to explore?


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Re: God: Part or Apart? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7790319 - 12/22/07 07:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
You specifically said that the world is composed of god (and:confused: )
I might be mistaking, but the meaning on the word composed implies more than one ingredient.





Composed in this case means made up of (like this golf club is composed of titanium).



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MushroomTrip said:
Besides, the Christian concept of god comes in contradiction with your earlier statements.





What did I say that was in contradiction?



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MushroomTrip said:
Why limit and bound ourselves to a static definition when we have all this variated reality to explore?




How does my definition inhibit my ability to explore reality?


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