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kidaihuan
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Is there an afterlife?
#7784759 - 12/21/07 08:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Note - This is for those who have no set religion and/or worship Jebus.
I was just thinking now that I'm going to be really bored after I die, not being able to move and all, but then I realized I won't have any brain activity, so it won't matter.
But really, what the fuck should I be expecting to happen when I die?
I'm was just contemplating this because I was thinking, if my girlfriend/fiancee ever kicked the bucket before I did in the distant future, if there was an afterlife, I'd join her then, but if there wasn't, maybe I'd be playing my cards better by sitting in a wheelchair in front of a window.
Is there an afterlife? What will it be like? Will I still have my memories? Will my fiancee be with me? Will I get reborn and have to start all the fuck over again?
And if the answer is yes there is an afterlife or I will be reborn, assuming that I find my same fiancee in that life, will she still be asian?
Edited by kidaihuan (12/21/07 08:15 AM)
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kidaihuan
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: kidaihuan]
#7784761 - 12/21/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Note that the STAL vote also carries the "I don't know vote".
If you are a homosexual, but do have an opinion other than STAL, then I ask that you vote for your opinion rather than the "The voter is a homosexual."
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: kidaihuan]
#7784764 - 12/21/07 08:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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no one knows.
although, the observable continuity of nature and its cycles and seasons tends to point more towards this possibility that death is not a final destination.
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: kidaihuan]
#7784765 - 12/21/07 08:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only afterlife is the bugs eating your flesh, ENJOY!
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#7784845 - 12/21/07 08:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's easy to say, but hard not to think what else could be.
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: kidaihuan]
#7785068 - 12/21/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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When my granddad died, my nan woke in the night and saw him at the end of her bed, he told her something about the future that my nan couldn't of possibly of even guessed at. It came true.
Now me and my family believe that there is more to it.
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: kidaihuan]
#7785140 - 12/21/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just wrote a post that sums up my opinion, pretty much.
Part of the Universe are sentient beings, so sentience permeates it. Two beings could be a billion lightyears apart, but both invent the wheel. So in a perfectly rationally understandable way, both draw from the same source. In a way, it is all interconnected. If you both have a similar understanding of the universe, you may think the same thoughts, invent the same things.
The universe isn't just void, gas, dust, planets and stars. Through us, living beings, it has consciousness. It has dreams. Logic is just as much a property of the Universe as gravity is. The Universe is making love and jokes in bad taste as much as it is gas giants and quasars. We see ourselves and the things we do as somehow separate from the Universe, but this is folly. We ourselves and all the things we do are parts of the Universe, for if they were impossible within it, we and our things wouldn't occur.
According to some scientists, our material universe will eventually completely fall apart. This will take a googol years, give or take, that's a one with 100 zeros, years. A truly staggering number, but it is infinitely small compared to Eternity. Some scientists estimate that in a staggering expanse of time, a one with 1056 zeros, years, there just might be a big bang giving rise to another material universe. And in that frightening number of years from that, another, and another, and this on and on into infinity.
Now picture this: a material universe created by a big bang has a limited size. Therefore the number of guises it can come in, is a staggering but finite number too.
If time truly is Eternal, you'll see it coming, every possible configuration of every possible universe will be created and destroyed over and over again, an infinite number of times.
You and me and every grain of sand, and every situation thats possible, shall be re-created over and over, in every possible way, with every possible outcome.
It is also possible that space is infinitely large, which would mean that if you were to travel in a straight line, you'd travel through an infinite number of big-bang universes, and meet yourself and everything in all possible guises over and over.
Now is that a BIG place or what  We're not just a measly 30-something lightyears across, thats just a drop in an endless sea.
You are Eternal. You shall reincarnate in all your guises forevermore, and live every possible life. Once you die, time itself stops for you, so you shall travel to your next life at infinite speed, through annihilation and re-creation. There appears to be an order of cause and effect to the universe. One thing leads to the next. Taking that assumption, there might be a pattern to the lives lived in succession also, something about this life and the ones before it will set you up for the next.
Since you reincarnate infinitely in a limited number of guises, there might just be a cycle of lives you go through. Since science insists there's no such thing as a soul, that cycle may be the same for all of us. We might all be incarnations of the same, of the One. The Sentience of the Universe. God.
You can see that in a universe of cause and effect, nothing can really go "wrong" as it's all an expression of the natural order. To the Universe, there simply is no "wrong".
And - we can't mess it up either. We humans can only make a finite mess of things, but do no harm to the fabric of the Universe. If we pollute and stripmine our planet.. Turn our solar system into a raging inferno. No biggie. All that goes extinct shall return forevermore. It's just the Universe doing its thing.
AQnd the good part of all of this is: you're part of it all, as proven by your existance. It doesn't matter if it's software or hardware that makes you, you: You're part of the grand old cycle. Enjoy the ride!
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: kidaihuan]
#7785190 - 12/21/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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here is my opinion:
take 2 people (male and female) and force them to have a child. God didnt make this kid, the two people did.
now once this baby is born, destroy it. does this baby have an afterlife? probably not
that kind of disproves any sort of afterlife in my mind (very extreme example)
but really, who the fuck knows (nobody..thats who)
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: Atheist]
#7785196 - 12/21/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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and do animals have afterlives? what about insects? bacteria?
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: Atheist]
#7785218 - 12/21/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Atheist said: and do animals have afterlives? what about insects? bacteria?
Sure, why not? With your baby example, and with any animals, bacteria, etc... I see it all as consciousness taking on different forms.
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: Silversoul]
#7785226 - 12/21/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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then what is the point of this life??
it just keeps going and going and going? i doubt it
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: Atheist]
#7785266 - 12/21/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
then what is the point of this life??
What's the point of potassium? There's no point, it exists to be. The same might hold true for life itself.
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: Asante]
#7785271 - 12/21/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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the point in IMO is to live it to the fullest, not live it and expect ANOTHER life
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: Atheist]
#7785277 - 12/21/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Atheist said: the point in IMO is to live it to the fullest, not live it and expect ANOTHER life
QFT!
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: kidaihuan]
#7785286 - 12/21/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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if you believe in the "afterlife" then the word "afterlife" doesn't really make sense. when we return to our spiritual form we are still alive. we have never been dead and we never will be dead.
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: Scratcher]
#7789495 - 12/22/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find the concept of transmigration comforting. I'd like to be reincarnated as a pine-marten.
If that happens I'll try not to eat you and your mate as rabbits.
Edited by Mustelid (12/22/07 03:40 PM)
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Re: Is there an afterlife? [Re: Mustelid]
#7789504 - 12/22/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The problem with the concept of an after life (whatever that means), is that it relies on having a before life (whatever that means, even moreso)
If we deny the exisistence of either, we can simplify our existence to now. Then, it will always be now. Just like math, simplification is key. I suck at math, which may explain why I'm a total wack-job.
Sorry, I'm like, NOT high.
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I most definitely think not.
Everything we see, feel, hear, taste, think, comprehend, and experience all comes directly from different brain functions, nerves, and chemical interactions in our bodies.
Upon death, the organization within our bodies that allows for us to even think dies. Our bodies die, our brains and nerves cease to work and turn into dead, non-living material.
Many notions of an "after life" assume for some odd reason that we still have these functions, like the christian forms of heaven and hell. They assume we can still feel pain, feel happiness, etc. But in reality, upon death the parts of our bodies that allow for these feelings are dead.
I believe there is absolutely no way for us to comprehend what death is like. From the moment of birth, existence is a concept because it goes through our brains. Everything we know, we interpret through our body.
I believe that logically, being dead will "feel" the same way as it felt before we were born. Still, thats hardly a useful answer, since we also cannot comprehend that. So I think death is simply non-existance. It isn't good or bad, or anything for that matter, because any way that we can think of it is by using our minds, something we won't have when we die.
I think many beliefs in an afterlife are based on our thanatos instinct. We have an absolute fear of the inevitability of death. This is what makes religion so appetizing, it gives us hope that after death, we get to go to a magical heaven, sleep with dozens of virgins, etc. etc. We just WANT to think that there is an afterlife, while in my opinion, it just isn't logical. We will return to the non-existence that characterized what we were before birth. We were non-living, we became living organisms, and we will return to non-living.
So I think death is sort of neutral, as we wont feel or think anything.
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